Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - Because muh freedoms means I should be able to die for being stupid; killing your grandma to own the libs; the conspiracy is inside this thread

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John Merston

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What is it about obese, elderly racist conmen that you find so sexually appealing, anyway? I am not one to kink shame but I want to know the appeal. I also don't think he swings that way, so sorry bro. You can go get your jollies off in the TDS thread with the other elderly obese man fetishists though
You don't understand. Trump was totally gonna destroy the American Left forever. That's why they rigged the 2020 election; it was their only chance to get him out of office.
 

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This is a respectable stance and while I strongly disagree and encourage everybody to get the vaccine - I can respect this opinion. Much more than the other clowns just spouting random anti-science contrarian bullshit lol.
While this virus is way more than "just a flu bro" it's not in the category where I'd say yes, let's have the government literally force people to take it. If something smallpox level comes up and we have the same morons pulling the same moron arguments, I'd really be forced to go into the "kill them all and shovel them into mass graves" camp, though. As it is, society will cope.

We'd never have gotten rid of smallpox or polio or measles or any of the others as killers of a large part of our population had we had such morons around, though. These people are the best argument against libertards I can think of.
You don't understand. Trump was totally gonna destroy the American Left forever. That's why they rigged the 2020 election; it was their only chance to get him out of office.
Trump was obviously just too noble to rig it back better.
 

Willie Thrills

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While this virus is way more than "just a flu bro" it's not in the category where I'd say yes, let's have the government literally force people to take it. If something smallpox level comes up and we have the same morons pulling the same moron arguments, I'd really be forced to go into the "kill them all and shovel them into mass graves" camp, though. As it is, society will cope.

We'd never have gotten rid of smallpox or polio or measles or any of the others as killers of a large part of our population had we had such morons around, though. These people are the best argument against libertards I can think of.

Trump was obviously just too noble to rig it back better.
Why are you bringing up smallpox?

Smallpox is incredibly easy to gain immunity from, but still poses a significant risk. How many people do you think actually have cultivars of smallpox in 2021? The USSR didn't exactly keep a close eye on their samples. That said, smallpox is very easy to vaccinate against - your immune system is very good at handling that particular family of diseases, which is why "pox parties" were a thing. It seems incredibly dishonest to compare smallpox, the poster-child of vaccines, to experimental ones - you can become immune to smallpox by handling a cow's tits in a firm manner, you cannot gain immunity to SARS-2 in the same way.

We haven't "gotten rid" of polio, it's still a major disease in a few places, mainly because the CIA kept using vaccinations as cover for all sorts of illegal activities - since it's more difficult and riskier to treat, and the experimental polio vaccines also gave tens of thousands of people polio - also during the Cutter Incident, courts found no negligence despite giving 40,000 children fucking POLIO - infact, the vast majority of polio cases are transmitted by failed vaccines, not by wild polio - wild polio only exists in two countries, whereas vaccine-induced contagious polio exists worldwide. The reason they found no negligence was because - guess what, the government was the one who fucked it up.

Seriously, why the fuck would you bring up Polio as an example of a working vaccine when it was such a catastrophic failure that it caused your Health minister at the time to resign due to the catastrophic failure.

You'd think this would be the end of Cutter, but nope, that just whet their appetites and they then decided to produce contaminated blood products - and killed literally thousands of people with AIDS-infected products.

Interestingly, you didn't mention that measles had a controversial outbreak in Germany due to the "refugees" and the arrival of Roma gypsies - it was ten times the scale of the purported "Antivaxx" outbreak yet went largely unnoticed. I for one wouldn't trust the people who keep shipping in diseases from abroad to have any sense of urgency when it comes to disease control - they have never allowed this enormous risk to get in their way before, even to this day, refusing to take any harsh actions against China, why on Earth, these are people who publicly lie about their height, why would you trust their word on disease control?

Also, the USA once tried to use polio vaccination as a cover to commit war crimes in Afghanistan and Pakistan - which is why those countries refuse to accept vaccinations.
 

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Why are you bringing up smallpox?
Because, you stupid fucking idiot, it's an example of what would justify forced vaccinations, as compared to this virus, which does not justify such measures. Considering I actually explained exactly why I brought it up in the post you're bitching about, makes me pissed I have to explain it again, because you were so fucking dense you didn't get it the first time, and annoyed me by even asking, you dumb fuck.
 

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Why are you bringing up smallpox?

Smallpox is incredibly easy to gain immunity from, but still poses a significant risk. How many people do you think actually have cultivars of smallpox in 2021? The USSR didn't exactly keep a close eye on their samples. That said, smallpox is very easy to vaccinate against - your immune system is very good at handling that particular family of diseases, which is why "pox parties" were a thing. It seems incredibly dishonest to compare smallpox, the poster-child of vaccines, to experimental ones - you can become immune to smallpox by handling a cow's tits in a firm manner, you cannot gain immunity to SARS-2 in the same way.

We haven't "gotten rid" of polio, it's still a major disease in a few places, mainly because the CIA kept using vaccinations as cover for all sorts of illegal activities - since it's more difficult and riskier to treat, and the experimental polio vaccines also gave tens of thousands of people polio - also during the Cutter Incident, courts found no negligence despite giving 40,000 children fucking POLIO - infact, the vast majority of polio cases are transmitted by failed vaccines, not by wild polio - wild polio only exists in two countries, whereas vaccine-induced contagious polio exists worldwide. The reason they found no negligence was because - guess what, the government was the one who fucked it up.

Seriously, why the fuck would you bring up Polio as an example of a working vaccine when it was such a catastrophic failure that it caused your Health minister at the time to resign due to the catastrophic failure.

You'd think this would be the end of Cutter, but nope, that just whet their appetites and they then decided to produce contaminated blood products - and killed literally thousands of people with AIDS-infected products.

Interestingly, you didn't mention that measles had a controversial outbreak in Germany due to the "refugees" and the arrival of Roma gypsies - it was ten times the scale of the purported "Antivaxx" outbreak yet went largely unnoticed. I for one wouldn't trust the people who keep shipping in diseases from abroad to have any sense of urgency when it comes to disease control - they have never allowed this enormous risk to get in their way before, even to this day, refusing to take any harsh actions against China, why on Earth, these are people who publicly lie about their height, why would you trust their word on disease control?

Also, the USA once tried to use polio vaccination as a cover to commit war crimes in Afghanistan and Pakistan - which is why those countries refuse to accept vaccinations.
I’m not going to argue or dispute any of the points you’re trying to make because they are all tangential and irrelevant to the actual argument: these vaccines work very well, and in areas where their administration was mandatory, we no longer have their diseases existing in the general population as significant, present public health threats. When they do rear their ugly heads, it’s because of antivaxxers, every single time
 

Willie Thrills

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I’m not going to argue or dispute any of the points you’re trying to make because they are all tangential and irrelevant to the actual argument: these vaccines work very well, and in areas where their administration was mandatory, we no longer have their diseases existing in the general population as significant, present public health threats. When they do rear their ugly heads, it’s because of antivaxxers, every single time
And what caused these antivaxxers? It wasn't down to whatever the fuck you seem to think it was - it was down to smuggling weapons to brutal partisans under the guise of medical assistance, or the use of vaccines as a covert tool of assassination. That's not long-winded, that's a direct instance of the American government using vaccines as a cover for a sinister campaign of murder and espionage.

The vaccines do NOT work very well at all, that is an incredibly stupid suggestion to make, we do not have anywhere near enough data to judge that. The little data we have shows an incredibly high rate of short-term symptoms, and that is likely only a sign of things to come.
Because, you stupid fucking idiot, it's an example of what would justify forced vaccinations, as compared to this virus, which does not justify such measures. Considering I actually explained exactly why I brought it up in the post you're bitching about, makes me pissed I have to explain it again, because you were so fucking dense you didn't get it the first time, and annoyed me by even asking, you dumb fuck.
Because mandatory vaccines work in case of smallpox with very little chance of failure - polio has a very mild chance of failure and went very badly wrong, causing a colossal disaster in which 40,000 children were infected with polio!

COVID-19 is a vaccine with a far higher chance of failure than either - we can see this, as it stands, presently, and it has not been anywhere near long enough to properly assess the damage.

Doesn't it strike you as a little bit strange that, in the UK atleast, all attempts to contain the spread of the disease were half-arsed, basic-bitch attempts at controlling it, while they suddenly pull out the capacity to deliver hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine with no mention of how exactly they plan on all the logistical problems associated with such a massive order in such a short space of time?

There was no reason that this pandemic should have happened in the West - and the fact that these people failed so fucking catastrophically with basic disaster training, while demanding we take drugs, is so beyond disgusting that I genuinely believe that most government officials should be shot.
 

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And what caused these antivaxxers? It wasn't down to whatever the fuck you seem to think it was - it was down to smuggling weapons to brutal partisans under the guise of medical assistance, or the use of vaccines as a covert tool of assassination. That's not long-winded, that's a direct instance of the American government using vaccines as a cover for a sinister campaign of murder and espionage.

The vaccines do NOT work very well at all, that is an incredibly stupid suggestion to make, we do not have anywhere near enough data to judge that. The little data we have shows an incredibly high rate of short-term symptoms, and that is likely only a sign of things to come.

Because mandatory vaccines work in case of smallpox with very little chance of failure - polio has a very mild chance of failure and went very badly wrong, causing a colossal disaster in which 40,000 children were infected with polio!

COVID-19 is a vaccine with a far higher chance of failure than either - we can see this, as it stands, presently, and it has not been anywhere near long enough to properly assess the damage.

Doesn't it strike you as a little bit strange that, in the UK atleast, all attempts to contain the spread of the disease were half-arsed, basic-bitch attempts at controlling it, while they suddenly pull out the capacity to deliver hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine with no mention of how exactly they plan on all the logistical problems associated with such a massive order in such a short space of time?

There was no reason that this pandemic should have happened in the West - and the fact that these people failed so fucking catastrophically with basic disaster training, while demanding we take drugs, is so beyond disgusting that I genuinely believe that most government officials should be shot.
Are you serious right now? At least in North America, what lukewarm, half-assed protection measures were implemented (lockdowns, social distancing, public outreach on mask use) were fought against tooth and nail. People couldn’t bother to even wear a mask in shops, proclaiming it “tyranny”. How do you think people would have responded to even more draconian measures? My god sometimes I think you don’t think through anything you say, you just coalesce everything into the Tom Clancy novel that is your head.

You reference studies. Have you read these studies? Do you know what their protocols were? The size and scope of their participants? Their methodologies used? The agreement (or not) with parallel studies? I don’t think you know any of these things. And because you don’t know anything, you may now understand why people view you as an ignorant idiot. Until you actually know the answers to these questions, you are intellectually bankrupt and can be safely ignored.

You Covidistas flip faster than 90's gay porn.
Lol what?
 

Willie Thrills

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Are you serious right now? At least in North America, what lukewarm, half-assed protection measures were implemented (lockdowns, social distancing, public outreach on mask use) were fought against tooth and nail. People couldn’t bother to even wear a mask in shops, proclaiming it “tyranny”. How do you think people would have responded to even more draconian measures? My god sometimes I think you don’t think through anything you say, you just coalesce everything into the Tom Clancy novel that is your head.

You reference studies. Have you read these studies? Do you know what their protocols were? The size and scope of their participants? Their methodologies used? The agreement (or not) with parallel studies? I don’t think you know any of these things. And because you don’t know anything, you may now understand why people view you as an ignorant idiot. Until you actually know the answers to these questions, you are intellectually bankrupt and can be safely ignored.
Yes, I will actively provide them for you, actually.


Here's the UK's adverse reaction list for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

This is a far higher rate of adverse reactions for its time-span than the failed Polio vaccine:


I know that these are two different countries, but I figured that spamming the far more severe history of medical disasters in the UK, I'd make it simple - this vaccine had 200,000 participants, 40,000 of those received some level of illness with a total of 200 severely injured and 10 dead.

One dead in twenty-thousand was enough to delay further polio vaccines for the next six years because nobody in their right mind would trust Salk's methods - despite the fact that it wasn't even a problem with the development of the vaccine, it was a problem with mass production and release.

For the UK's Pfizer vaccine:
Around 250,000 have had adverse reactions and 460 have died.

For this to be equal to the Cutter disaster which was over the course of YEARS, the number of Pfizer vaccine doses alone would have to be 9,200,000 - the vaccine, so far, has proven to be just as dangerous as the failed, disastrous Cutter incident. That is only the early results - the numbers are in, Pfizer has failed to reach the standard of a vaccine - it is too dangerous to the public for me to consider using it myself, especially since I'm a competent and healthy adult. It has a death toll which is far too high, and it's only early-stages.

The other vaccines are similar.


The reason the American public is so spitefully against draconian measures is because of you - people like yourself have proven your incompetence and greed so often that they simply don't trust you, and for good reason. You openly lie to prove points, and make demands of "sources" while obscuring your own - and on top of that all, you have seemingly no idea why such a massive section of the American public, who are some of the most intelligent people in human history by all means of testing, dislike you so much.
 

John Merston

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Can we stop autisticly arguing about Wu-flu and vaccines? This is community watch, not A&N. Go to the thread in Happenings for that. This is to laugh at retards that think that every doctor is Satan there to 5G microchip them for Bill Gates
The problem is a large portion of this site believes in that shit.
 

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Can we stop autisticly arguing about Wu-flu and vaccines? This is community watch, not A&N. Go to the thread in Happenings for that. This is to laugh at retards that think that every doctor is Satan there to 5G microchip them for Bill Gates
The issue is that similar to the TES thread, many retards who are part of the communities being made fun of, feel the need to defend their stance as though the existence of this thread is a personal attack on them
 

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Can we stop autisticly arguing about Wu-flu and vaccines? This is community watch, not A&N. Go to the thread in Happenings for that. This is to laugh at retards that think that every doctor is Satan there to 5G microchip them for Bill Gates
Dude, this is literally the thread for autistically arguing about that shit.

spitefully against draconian measures is because of you - people like yourself have proven your incompetence and greed so often that they simply don't trust you, and for good reason. You openly lie to prove points, and make demands of "sources" while obscuring your own
REEEEEEE REEEE have you considered kooking a bit less harder? Nobody is reading your weird textwalls. If you chilled it down a bit it's at least possible at least some people would read your lunacy.
 

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Are you serious right now? At least in North America, what lukewarm, half-assed protection measures were implemented (lockdowns, social distancing, public outreach on mask use) were fought against tooth and nail.
That's what happens when the advice from on high contradicts basic common sense, not to mention itself. I'd wager large quantities of money that if they hadn't pulled that stunt with lying about masks day one originally to prevent a stock shortage, there wouldn't have been near as much backlash.

Now, people treat the CDC and Fauci like you'd treat any other untrustworthy people who've lied to your face: full of shit until proven otherwise.
 

Willie Thrills

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That's what happens when the advice from on high contradicts basic common sense, not to mention itself. I'd wager large quantities of money that if they hadn't pulled that stunt with lying about masks day one originally to prevent a stock shortage, there wouldn't have been near as much backlash.

Now, people treat the CDC and Fauci like you'd treat any other untrustworthy people who've lied to your face: full of shit until proven otherwise.
Not only that, but the last ten years of politics worldwide has shown a massive chunk of the population that their government is actively hostile to them. I find the 5G shit funny, and the "vast conspiracy" bullshit, the "Novirus" shit, but then there's the pure fanatical devotion shown by powerusers ITT, which is just as retarded. The vaccine is not a saviour any more than it's a tracking device.


When the most popular source of information regarding an ongoing disaster for English-speakers is Mister fucking Metokur for an entire three months there, somebody needs to get hanged.
 

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Here's the UK's adverse reaction list for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

This is a far higher rate of adverse reactions for its time-span than the failed Polio vaccine:


I know that these are two different countries, but I figured that spamming the far more severe history of medical disasters in the UK, I'd make it simple - this vaccine had 200,000 participants, 40,000 of those received some level of illness with a total of 200 severely injured and 10 dead.

One dead in twenty-thousand was enough to delay further polio vaccines for the next six years because nobody in their right mind would trust Salk's methods - despite the fact that it wasn't even a problem with the development of the vaccine, it was a problem with mass production and release.

For the UK's Pfizer vaccine:
Around 250,000 have had adverse reactions and 460 have died.

For this to be equal to the Cutter disaster which was over the course of YEARS, the number of Pfizer vaccine doses alone would have to be 9,200,000 - the vaccine, so far, has proven to be just as dangerous as the failed, disastrous Cutter incident. That is only the early results - the numbers are in, Pfizer has failed to reach the standard of a vaccine - it is too dangerous to the public for me to consider using it myself, especially since I'm a competent and healthy adult. It has a death toll which is far too high, and it's only early-stages.

The other vaccines are similar.


The reason the American public is so spitefully against draconian measures is because of you - people like yourself have proven your incompetence and greed so often that they simply don't trust you, and for good reason. You openly lie to prove points, and make demands of "sources" while obscuring your own - and on top of that all, you have seemingly no idea why such a massive section of the American public, who are some of the most intelligent people in human history by all means of testing, dislike you so much.
This is a uniquely American thing that you must “like” someone for their opinion to be valid. That’s why your elections are such shitshows. Republicans need an ass-kicking name-taking cowboy and Democrats need a fusion of Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln. Is it not enough that you just have a boring, unremarkable but capable bureaucrat? That is basically Fauci, a pretty accomplished scientist and bureaucrat with the personality of a room-temperature salmon. Why the fuck do you insist that he have Barry White’s charisma before you listen to him?

Here’s some more stats for you. In Canada, just over 44 million vaccine doses of all kinds, including the more dangerous AstraZeneca shots before they were discontinued. Of those, just over 10k self-reported “adverse reactions”. That could be anything to cardiac arrest to sore arm. Of those 10k, 153 people died. Of those 153, 61 were considered unlikely to have been caused by the vaccine but evidence wasn’t certain.

Now move on to Covid itself. In Canada, there have been about 1.43 million infections, and just over 26k deaths.

Broken down into percent: the vaccine has a 0.00035 percent chance of killing you (I included ambiguous deaths.) Covid has a 1.8 percent chance of killing you. Would you be satisfied waking up knowing that you had a 1 in 60 chance of dying of Covid because you were vaccine skeptical?

The research is sound. The numbers don’t lie. The vaccine is safe and effective, especially in relation to the alternative (well, the mRNA ones, others like sinovac and AstraZeneca are more nebulous). If you are incapable of changing your mind when presented with hard statistics, you’re not an intellectual, you’re an ideologue.
 

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Not only that, but the last ten years of politics worldwide has shown a massive chunk of the population that their government is actively hostile to them. I find the 5G shit funny, and the "vast conspiracy" bullshit, the "Novirus" shit, but then there's the pure fanatical devotion shown by powerusers ITT, which is just as retarded. The vaccine is not a saviour any more than it's a tracking device.
Well, at least on one point's it's basically somebody greased somebody to sell a lot of vaccine products. It is pretty much a good deal for the manufacturers to have a captive audience. It's like you had to drink coca cola or the govt said to you to fuck off and put you into the pepsi camps. (the elites drink Dr. Pepper, the drink of the Gods anyway)