Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - You Are Not "Vaccine Hesitant" For Using Critical Thinking

EyelessMC

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I'm not seeing that happening at the moment either.
Please read the OP or at least watch the first video archived in the OP before posting. Simply because the notion of a reoccurring Covid vax isn't currently being implemented that doesn't mean the people developing and producing the vaccines aren't planning for it.

The CEO of Moderna outright said he wants to make a seasonal boost Covid vaccine which is coupled with the Flu vaccine, thus overtaking the Flu vax market (the most profitable market in vaccines) with a reoccurring Covid-Flu vax. The idea didn't just come from anons on the Internet.
 

Otterly

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I think they will start pushing boosters. The vaccines do t seem to be particularly effective past a few months. Nobody should be surprised at that, because: a . we’ve never managed to create a coronavirus vaccine before, b. The trials were very short and c. Immunity to most colds is short lived. The vaccines create one antibody type to one confirmation of one subunit of one protein. Any drift in the sequence of that due to mutation means the vaccine don’t work well. A natural infection will give you a whole load of odds and ends of antibodies which can mount a response against slightly different strains.
It’s my view that The trials were rushed and flawed in multiple ways. They’ve rushed out a vaccine without really checking efficacy and safety. A few months back I’d have said the safety was more of a concern and the efficacy was ok but it seems efficacy is poor as well (look at the numbers from Israel, they’re saying 39% effective against whatever variant we are on now.) I think the vaccines are causing a lot of the same issues the disease is, only in a younger cohort. But we aren’t even getting the data we need to check. CDC is only collecting severe cases in hospital if they’re breakthrough and uses different testing criteria for vaccinated and unvaccinated. It’s all a giant, colossal mess.
Lol sorry I could bang on aboit all this for weeks, I’ll stop boring on.
 

Lemmingwise

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Please read the OP or at least watch the first video archived in the OP before posting. Simply because the notion of a reoccurring Covid vax isn't currently being implemented that doesn't mean the people developing and producing the vaccines aren't planning for it.

The CEO of Moderna outright said he wants to make a seasonal boost Covid vaccine which is coupled with the Flu vaccine, thus overtaking the Flu vax market (the most profitable market in vaccines) with a reoccurring Covid-Flu vax. The idea didn't just come from anons on the Internet.
Fuck I had no idea. I'll look into it.

It's just what I presumed because there had been ineffectual, but hard pushes for mandatory flu vaccines.

And I always think: "what would I do if I was completely sociopathic and wanted to make a profit in x industry."

And yeah it'd be stuff like seasonal vaccines. I didn't know there was a paper trail for it.

I also didn't understand why so many economic analysts were expecting medical to be the big growth industey years back, but I get it now.
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

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People will react accordingly. If this was the plague and people were dropping dead, the public would freak out. If this pandemic had affected kids (thank fuck it hasn’t in the main) people would flip out. The reason people are not all freaking out now is that they can SEE this isn’t the plague. Be honest, if you had no tv and internet telling you about covid would you even know it happened? You wouldn’t, you might think you’d had the flu. If there’s an andromeda strain situation in the future you don’t need draconian rules - people will be shitting themselves and do what’s needed. To destroy our freedom now for this just in case is wrong.

Yeah i agree. Thing is, there will be ‘the big one’ at some point. What scientists have been pushing for for years is much better early warning systems in public health. Have we got them? Oddly no. The flu surveillance system ain’t bad but there’s nowhere near enough transparency in world governments to truly head off whatever the next real killer is.
In a serious pandemic, "Vaccine Lotteries" will be people competing for and being selected for the vaccine because the virus/bacteria is that lethal/incapacitating.
In this mild (*at best*) pandemic, "Vaccine Lotteries" are the government trying to entice people to get vaccinated to up their numbers.
I think they will start pushing boosters. The vaccines do t seem to be particularly effective past a few months. Nobody should be surprised at that, because: a . we’ve never managed to create a coronavirus vaccine before, b. The trials were very short and c. Immunity to most colds is short lived. The vaccines create one antibody type to one confirmation of one subunit of one protein. Any drift in the sequence of that due to mutation means the vaccine don’t work well. A natural infection will give you a whole load of odds and ends of antibodies which can mount a response against slightly different strains.
It’s my view that The trials were rushed and flawed in multiple ways. They’ve rushed out a vaccine without really checking efficacy and safety. A few months back I’d have said the safety was more of a concern and the efficacy was ok but it seems efficacy is poor as well (look at the numbers from Israel, they’re saying 39% effective against whatever variant we are on now.) I think the vaccines are causing a lot of the same issues the disease is, only in a younger cohort. But we aren’t even getting the data we need to check. CDC is only collecting severe cases in hospital if they’re breakthrough and uses different testing criteria for vaccinated and unvaccinated. It’s all a giant, colossal mess.
Lol sorry I could bang on aboit all this for weeks, I’ll stop boring on.
COVID/SARS-CoV-2's mutation rate is also insanely high.
Like exponentially faster than both Smallpox & Polio; and the fact that current vaccines aren't stopping infection means they aren't stopping its evolution.

I've got like 15 vaccines in my life, but those had completed their third trials.
Similar story here, except most those disease could have easily killed me, left me incapacitated, or at least vomiting blood and shitting myself for a week.

Yet with COVID/SARS-2 I'm being told that I need to get a vaccine for a disease which already failed to even manifest symptoms when it infected me?
 

knobslobbin

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Damn Alex Jones is spot on with this report. Lines up exactly with what I've been hearing from the non-pozzed medical community.

Skip to 4:30 if you don't care for Alex Jones, he's giving commentary and background on a group of Doctors talking about reactions they are seeing in their patients when vaxxed. Couldn't find the source video without Jones, oh well.

edit: the most upsetting part of this video is when the doctor predicts that vaccine test subjects won't start dying from it until 3 years out! THREE YEARS! Goddamn it, you mean we have to put up with these fucks until 2024!? Oops, what I meant was: go get the shot guys 🫂
 
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Disheveled Human

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People will react accordingly.
People are gonna say the government are faking the numbers. There will always be that percentage. They are doing it now even though the government is being in my opinion pretty transparent with the milquetoast numbers. Like if the government wanted people to freak out about covid the world cabal would just increase the death rate or greatly exaggerate long term effects. The fact the data currently is being presented as is with the call of caution makes me feel like they are not lying about the issues with this current affair. It's the world wide take overall.
 

Kornula

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People are gonna say the government are faking the numbers. There will always be that percentage. They are doing it now even though the government is being in my opinion pretty transparent with the milquetoast numbers. Like if the government wanted people to freak out about covid the world cabal would just increase the death rate or greatly exaggerate long term effects. The fact the data currently is being presented as is with the call of caution makes me feel like they are not lying about the issues with this current affair. It's the world wide take overall.
The goverments have been faking the numbers.
 

Lemmingwise

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Are you going to keep up this line when it's a twice a year vaccine for bullshit reasons?

Are you going to give up this nonsense when that doesn't happen?
Honestly, I thought I would be proven right in 6-12 months time. I didn't expect it to be in less than a week:




https://archive.md/g4IoH
 

Disheveled Human

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Honestly, I thought I would be proven right in 6-12 months time. I didn't expect it to be in less than a week:




But in first world countries most people are vaccinated only 20 of percent are not vaccinated and some of the 20 percent are homebody's that don't need it for work or travel so its a bit disingenuous, to make that claim. We understand that with delta vaccinated folks can catch it reliably but it has been proven to reduce the severity of the disease so its not like its for nothing unless you choose to ignore that evidence in favor of the vaccines.
 

Screamer

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But in first world countries most people are vaccinated only 20 of percent are not vaccinated and some of the 20 percent are homebody's that don't need it for work or travel so its a bit disingenuous, to make that claim. We understand that with delta vaccinated folks can catch it reliably but it has been proven to reduce the severity of the disease so its not like its for nothing unless you choose to ignore that evidence in favor of the vaccines.

*First World Countries minus Australia. What a shit show.
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

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Okay, but if deadly blood clots are developing, why is no one I know dead from the vaccine yet? Yeah, yeah.... I know... It's gonna kill everybody in 3 years... but honestly, that half sounds like what they've been saying about Covid.
Because the "everybody will be dead within 3 years" is a misquote of a statistic from a dubious source (I can't remember where it came from).
The actual claim was that like 62% of people injected with the mRNA vaccine will develop a blood clot within three years of injection. However, even assuming its accurate, that was merely claiming a blood clot and not actually death or hospitalization from a blood clot (which depends on the location/severity of the clot).
 

Hollywood Hulk Hogan

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But in first world countries most people are vaccinated only 20 of percent are not vaccinated and some of the 20 percent are homebody's that don't need it for work or travel so its a bit disingenuous, to make that claim. We understand that with delta vaccinated folks can catch it reliably but it has been proven to reduce the severity of the disease so its not like its for nothing unless you choose to ignore that evidence in favor of the vaccines.
The schizos in this thread won't listen to facts, logic or even real sources. The voices in their heads and other random schizos on the internet tell them that the vaccine is bad because science is bad, so thus, it's bad. The OP still hasn't addressed that the study he keeps posting that makes his concerns legit actually concludes the exact opposite of what he claims it does. Mental illness is no joke
 

Otterly

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People are gonna say the government are faking the numbers.
They are - they’re doing it as follows.
1. Set the definition of what you count as different for the unvaccinated and the vaccinated.
2. Apply different standards to each group
3. Make the thing you use to count them different been vaccinated/unvaccinated
So: let’s say two people, one vaccinated and one not. Both live together and both come down with the sniffles. They get tested.
vaccinated person gets a LESS sensitive test. Even if that test is positive he doesn’t get counted as a case. He only gets counted as a case IF he is severely (as in ICU level) ill or dies
Unvaccinated person has a HIGHER cycle number, and is counted as positive no matter what. Asymptomatic? Still a case.
So the government can say, truthfully that they are reporting correctly, but when you set what correctly is you can report whatever you like.
Imagine us both sat together flipping a pile of coins into a box each. Your box is a big open one and you’re sat next to it. My box has a lid with a tiny hole cut out and I’m sat three metres away blindfolded. You’re gonna get more coins in that box. If someone picks up those boxes and counts, you’re getting a higher count than me. Well they did their job, they counted accurately. The counter isn’t lying. The people who set the rules up for us are the bad guys.
Ironically equity doesn’t apply here
 

EyelessMC

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They are - they’re doing it as follows.
1. Set the definition of what you count as different for the unvaccinated and the vaccinated.
2. Apply different standards to each group
3. Make the thing you use to count them different been vaccinated/unvaccinated
So: let’s say two people, one vaccinated and one not. Both live together and both come down with the sniffles. They get tested.
vaccinated person gets a LESS sensitive test. Even if that test is positive he doesn’t get counted as a case. He only gets counted as a case IF he is severely (as in ICU level) ill or dies
Unvaccinated person has a HIGHER cycle number, and is counted as positive no matter what. Asymptomatic? Still a case.
So the government can say, truthfully that they are reporting correctly, but when you set what correctly is you can report whatever you like.
Imagine us both sat together flipping a pile of coins into a box each. Your box is a big open one and you’re sat next to it. My box has a lid with a tiny hole cut out and I’m sat three metres away blindfolded. You’re gonna get more coins in that box. If someone picks up those boxes and counts, you’re getting a higher count than me. Well they did their job, they counted accurately. The counter isn’t lying. The people who set the rules up for us are the bad guys.
Ironically equity doesn’t apply here
Succinctly stated, and this also ties directly back to the problem with everyone misunderstanding and misusing the PCR test (for others reading this, see the OP "Science" spoiler tab and Ctrl+F "PCR")

Okay, but if deadly blood clots are developing, why is no one I know dead from the vaccine yet?
Let me get your post here straight: So, people have reported ITT deep worry and concern about what's already happened to their loved ones in this thread. Bad Take Crucifier, NoReturn, etc. Numerous names, different sexes, different parts of the country, all correlated or directly caused by the Covid vaccine. Then there's your one friend who has a continual menstrual bleeding. Remember her?

But because no one you know is dead yet, it's an unreasonable concern?
The issue of blood clots isn't just about death, nor is the concern about the Covid vaccines only about blood clotting.
 

Mrs. Addams

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Succinctly stated, and this also ties directly back to the problem with everyone misunderstanding and misusing the PCR test (for others reading this, see the OP "Science" spoiler tab and Ctrl+F "PCR")


Let me get your post here straight: So, people have reported ITT deep worry and concern about what's already happened to their loved ones in this thread. Bad Take Crucifier, NoReturn, etc. Numerous names, different sexes, different parts of the country, all correlated or directly caused by the Covid vaccine. Then there's your one friend who has a continual menstrual bleeding. Remember her?

But because no one you know is dead yet, it's an unreasonable concern?
The issue of blood clots isn't just about death, nor is the concern about the Covid vaccines only about blood clotting.
I don't know. It's been doom porn all year. I'm having trouble believing anything at this point.
 

Badungus Kabungus

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The schizos in this thread won't listen to facts, logic or even real sources. The voices in their heads and other random schizos on the internet tell them that the vaccine is bad because science is bad, so thus, it's bad. The OP still hasn't addressed that the study he keeps posting that makes his concerns legit actually concludes the exact opposite of what he claims it does. Mental illness is no joke
Uh oh, looks like one of your "real sources" is now claiming that you vaxx drones are now swarming with dangerous mutations of the coof due to your callous attitude towards experimental medical treatments and your lack of understanding of basic epidemiology. Wear the mask and isolate, or you're going to be killing grandma, you walking plague factory.


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Fanatical Pragmatist

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Uh oh, looks like one of your "real sources" is now claiming that you vaxx drones are now swarming with dangerous mutations of the coof due to your callous attitude towards experimental medical treatments and your lack of understanding of basic epidemiology. Wear the mask and isolate, or you're going to be killing grandma, you walking plague factory.


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Gotta love how basic freaking Evolution 101 is some new shocking reveal.

Also gotta love the sunk-costs fallacy by CNN & CDC, "oh masks didn't work, vaccination isn't working but we can't just let the virus do its thing so DOUBLE OR NOTHING MASKS + VACCINES!!!"
 

Badungus Kabungus

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Gotta love how basic freaking Evolution 101 is some new shocking reveal.

Also gotta love the sunk-costs fallacy by CNN & CDC, "oh masks didn't work, vaccination isn't working but we can't just let the virus do its thing so DOUBLE OR NOTHING MASKS + VACCINES!!!"
The fun part will be when some mutation specifically adapts to evading the viral detection mechanisms of vaccinated people while losing some of the ability to affect us normals. Given their disregard towards any precautions other than getting a shot of vaxx, this may happen sooner rather than later.
 
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