Far Cry 5 Has Us Confused (And Uncomfortable) - Woke journalists struggle with internal consistency.

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Computery Guy

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Okay, but, that thing about the redneck trying to be inclusive is actually kinda nice??? Just literally a guy with no experience in that sort of thing trying to be understanding with your standard redneck info pool???

I guess since he didn't immediately list off 100 genders and asked which one you were he's secretly Goebbels reincarnated, though.
 

Medicated

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Of course not, that would imply he actually plays video games.

I'll never get over this idea that video game reviewers think themselves political science majors from back when degrees meant something. You are a video game reviewer, just tell us whats in the game, whats it about, how many different types of weapons there are. Stop pretending to be some fucking intellectual you fucking retard. These reviewers love to talk about games being art, but when confronted by subject matter they chuck a bitch fit. Pathetic.
 

Michael Jackson

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"The imagery surrounding the cult in Far Cry 5 is unfortunately very familiar."

How so? Christian cults aren't exactly the most common trope in video games. Some might even say they're... UNDERREPRESENTED.

"Now a game that includes Nazis doesn't always glorify them."

Wait, I thought you just said they were a Christian cult, not Nazis? And what fucking game glorifies Nazis?!?

"...STARTED A CONVERSATION about what subject matter video games can and can't tackle."

Huh, I guess I was misinformed; I was under the impression that video games were "allowed" to tackle whatever subject matter they wanted, but I this makes it a moot point!

"The point is video games shouldn't avoid political subjects, but that they should face them head on."

There is only one way to make video games -- my way! Also, there's that "head on" term again; it's quickly becoming the "current year."

"Far Cry 5 uses the aesthetics and language of an incredibly problematic trend in America, but it refuses to name that trend directly."

Oh no, I have do extra six-degrees-of-separation work to tangentially connect this game to my favorite political piñata! Curse you game developers for making my life so difficult!

"Today with refugees seeking shelter in Europe and the US-Mexico border a continual point of political contention, the choices feel that much more poignant."

Is this video still about video games? Also, Papers, Please is not a counterfactual to Far Cry, you giblet.

"Bioshock throws players into an underwater Ayn Randian hellscape of a city and asks them to consider the pitfalls of free enterprise."

Capitalism is bad, you guys! Also, that's not really what the game is about, but I found it curious that Bioshock: Infinite wasn't used as an example since it's the only other title I can think of that makes a Christian cult a major part of its setting. Hmmm...

The video then ends with this splash image:

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The Shadow

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"The imagery surrounding the cult in Far Cry 5 is unfortunately very familiar."

How so? Christian cults aren't exactly the most common trope in video games. Some might even say they're... UNDERREPRESENTED.

"Now a game that includes Nazis doesn't always glorify them."

Wait, I thought you just said they were a Christian cult, not Nazis? And what fucking game glorifies Nazis?‽

"...STARTED A CONVERSATION about what subject matter video games can and can't tackle."

Huh, I guess I was misinformed; I was under the impression that video games were "allowed" to tackle whatever subject matter they wanted, but I this makes it a moot point!

"The point is video games shouldn't avoid political subjects, but that they should face them head on."

There is only one way to make video games -- my way! Also, there's that "head on" term again; it's quickly becoming the "current year."

"Far Cry 5 uses the aesthetics and language of an incredibly problematic trend in America, but it refuses to name that trend directly."

Oh no, I have do extra six-degrees-of-separation work to tangentially connect this game to my favorite political piñata! Curse you game developers for making my life so difficult!

"Today with refugees seeking shelter in Europe and the US-Mexico border a continual point of political contention, the choices feel that much more poignant."

Is this video still about video games? Also, Papers, Please is not a counterfactual to Far Cry, you giblet.

"Bioshock throws players into an underwater Ayn Randian hellscape of a city and asks them to consider the pitfalls of free enterprise."

Capitalism is bad, you guys! Also, that's not really what the game is about, but I found it curious that Bioshock: Infinite wasn't used as an example since it's the only other title I can think of that makes a Christian cult a major part of its setting. Hmmm...

The video then ends with this splash image:

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Rapture had problems due to "someone needing to fix the toilets" but the introduction of ADAM, Fontaine actively undermining Ryan with smuggling, and finally Ryan forsaking his libertarian outlook in favor of authoritarian rule had much more to do with Rapture's demise. Only getting "Capitalism is bad!" because it critiques Randian ideas speaks more to a simpleton trying to fit a narrative to their own politics.

Also is that chipmunk in the last pic wearing a diaper?
 

Ineedahero

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Rapture had problems due to "someone needing to fix the toilets" but the introduction of ADAM, Fontaine actively undermining Ryan with smuggling, and finally Ryan forsaking his libertarian outlook in favor of authoritarian rule had much more to do with Rapture's demise. Only getting "Capitalism is bad!" because it critiques Randian ideas speaks more to a simpleton trying to fit a narrative to their own politics.

Also is that chipmunk in the last pic wearing a diaper?
Proof that bioshock isn't a critique of capitalism is that Ken Levine refuses to say whether he considers it positive towards objectivism or negative. Like all halfway decent storytellers, he wants the audience to decide what they get from it themselves. Same goes for Jeffery yolahem with far cry 3, and since the lead writer of far cry 5 worked under Levine on infinite, I have no doubt it will be the same.
 

The Shadow

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Proof that bioshock isn't a critique of capitalism is that Ken Levine refuses to say whether he considers it positive towards objectivism or negative. Like all halfway decent storytellers, he wants the audience to decide what they get from it themselves. Same goes for Jeffery yolahem with far cry 3, and since the lead writer of far cry 5 worked under Levine on infinite, I have no doubt it will be the same.
Levine thinks shit through and sees a bigger picture; probably why he has several well remembered and award winning games to his name and why he's not writing dumb thinkpieces for some nothing YouTube channel.
 

BurningPewter

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playing devil's advocate here because I like the Far Cry games, but I do think some gamers are hypocritical when it comes to not wanting scrutiny on games. If someone (like Roger Ebert did) says games are being taken too seriously, they'll Reee "games are powerful modern art just like oscar winning films!" then if someone treats them like important art, (analysing their politics) they'll Reeee again "leave our games alone, stop taking them seriously, they're just fun toys!"

It's the same with metal music - some metal fans I know Reee if a highbrow arty music magazine leaves out metal, but then if that same magazine gives a metal album a bad review, they Reee "it's our private music leave it alone"
 

Michael Jackson

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Rapture had problems due to "someone needing to fix the toilets" but the introduction of ADAM, Fontaine actively undermining Ryan with smuggling, and finally Ryan forsaking his libertarian outlook in favor of authoritarian rule had much more to do with Rapture's demise. Only getting "Capitalism is bad!" because it critiques Randian ideas speaks more to a simpleton trying to fit a narrative to their own politics.

I think Ayn Rand herself said that for objectivism to work, everyone must opt-in. That's an unrealistically lofty goal, but apparently it did work in Rapture, at least for a little while. Then magic-granting slugs and outsider criminals entered the equation, and it didn't. What baffled me about this were the numerous critics who then smugly said "Objectivism? Have you played Bioshock?!?" as if the game's rather outrageous concepts -- that sometimes went against the credos of objectivism -- were an inevitable outcome of the ideology itself.

Check 'n' mate!

Then again these were probably the same people who criticized objectivism based on the length/writing style of Atlas Shrugged. I never got why there was such a hate-boner for it until I realized just how many of these critics came from a heavily pro-Marxist environment. So then I started criticizing all things socialist based on my dislike for Marx's facial grooming. They didn't get it.

Levine also did an interview with a libertarian/objectivist magazine about Bioshock, and from what I recall it was an interesting if shallow read. Levine was humble, as usual, and stressed his cursory knowledge of objectivism. He didn't criticize it, but basically just said he found it interesting and wanted to incorporate some of its concepts into the game. It almost felt like he was sheepishly apologizing, without committing to any stance, for all the people who were putting words in his mouth.
 
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Michael Jackson

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playing devil's advocate here because I like the Far Cry games, but I do think some gamers are hypocritical when it comes to not wanting scrutiny on games. If someone (like Roger Ebert did) says games are being taken too seriously, they'll Reee "games are powerful modern art just like oscar winning films!" then if someone treats them like important art, (analysing their politics) they'll Reeee again "leave our games alone, stop taking them seriously, they're just fun toys!"

Fair enough; I get that impression sometimes as well. However, I do think the strong pushback is mostly born from the gaming media's (and its supporters') single-minded focus on political issues in games. Specifically, political issues being in regardless of context and covered in an "agreeable" way.

Given the example above, Bioshock was much more about determinism than objectivism, yet it's the latter that's frequently brought up. Likewise, I don't think anyone criticized the Transformers movies for not delving "head on" into the issue of war orphans when giants robots duke it out, yet that's exactly the sort of sentiments we get with video games these days.

Personally I do want games that tackle complex, nuanced issues as much as I want mindless escapism; there's plenty of room for both. Yet when these "deep" titles come around, they rarely make a splash. As an example, SOMA did as good a job of exploring consciousness, AI, and advanced simulations as any other medium, and it even did so via gameplay. Did the reviews go into this? Barely. The game didn't revolve around hot-button issues of the current-day, so most of the discussion was limited to its janky stealth mechanics. It deserved more:

 
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