Far Cry 5 Has Us Confused (And Uncomfortable) - Woke journalists struggle with internal consistency.

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Takayuki Yagami

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I think Ayn Rand herself said that for objectivism to work, everyone must opt-in. That's an unrealistically lofty goal, but apparently it did work in Rapture, at least for a little while. Then magic-granting slugs and outsider criminals entered the equation, and it didn't. What baffled me about this were the numerous critics who then smugly said "Objectivism? Have you played Bioshock?‽" as if the game's rather outrageous concepts -- that sometimes went against the credos of objectivism -- were an inevitable outcome of the ideology itself.

Check 'n' mate!

Then again these were probably the same people who criticized objectivism based on the length/writing style of Atlas Shrugged. I never got why there was such a hate-boner for it until I realized just how many of these critics came from a heavily pro-Marxist environment. So then I started criticizing all things socialist based on my dislike for Marx's facial grooming. They didn't get it.

Levine also did an interview with a libertarian/objectivist magazine about Bioshock, and from what I recall it was an interesting if shallow read. Levine was humble, as usual, and stressed his cursory knowledge of objectivism. He didn't criticize it, but basically just said he found it interesting and wanted to incorporate some of its concepts into the game. It almost felt like he was sheepishly apologizing, without committing to any stance, for all the people who were putting words in his mouth.
Don’t overstate critics if those books as all being Marxists. The first page of the Fountainhead has prose so bad I thought someone had switched something out for a laugh.
 

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Don’t overstate critics if those books as all being Marxists. The first page of the Fountainhead has prose so bad I thought someone had switched something out for a laugh.

I wasn't trying to praise or demean Ayn Rand's writing, but rather complain about criticism of her fiction being used to dismiss objectivism itself. First it was "Objectivism? Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged?!?" and then it was "Objectivism? Have you ever played Bioshock?!?" And each time I saw it, I had trouble groking the argument until I realized it was just Marxist-born virtue signaling.

Feel free to shit on the books, though.
 

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Feel free to shit on the books, though.

Ahem!

There are two books a young man can read while he is a young man, barely into his teens. They are the Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a book featuring a fantastical world, with an unfeasible plot as a corrupt villain faces off against holier then thou heroes, who only through their own convictions end up winning. The other, of course, has orcs.

Atlas Shrugged isn't a book that should be tossed around lightly, it needs to be thrown against the wall at full force!

(I don't know any other Atlas Shrugged jokes. Oh, wait!)

Atlas Shrugged had an interesting progression for it's movie. Part 1 was a big budget studio film. Part 2 was a direct to dvd release with c-list actors. Part 3, last I heard, was trying to get crowdfunding!
 

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Ahem!

There are two books a young man can read while he is a young man, barely into his teens. They are the Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a book featuring a fantastical world, with an unfeasible plot as a corrupt villain faces off against holier then thou heroes, who only through their own convictions end up winning. The other, of course, has orcs.

Atlas Shrugged isn't a book that should be tossed around lightly, it needs to be thrown against the wall at full force!

(I don't know any other Atlas Shrugged jokes. Oh, wait!)

Atlas Shrugged had an interesting progression for it's movie. Part 1 was a big budget studio film. Part 2 was a direct to dvd release with c-list actors. Part 3, last I heard, was trying to get crowdfunding!

There's also some huge irony in trying to make Atlus Shrugged part three through crowdfunding when a good chunk of Atlas Shrugged is a massive rant on how much beggars suck.
 
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polygon is butthurt that the game doesnt draw parallels with current day america. You can taste the butthurt:
https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/26/17164878/far-cry-5-review-ps4-pc-xbox-one

''It’s a timely story that could at least try to address the polarized nature of current American politics, or talk about the issues inherent in a country that seems to worship firearms. But I never saw anything that hinted at how these cultists were radicalized. And their ultimate goal, revealed at the end of the game, undercuts any grand statement.''

''The general absence of context in Far Cry 5 feels intentional, as if to smooth over any potentially controversial edges. You’re fighting against a conservative religious cult that has taken control of a big chunk of Montana, which made some conservative and Christian commentators uncomfortable during the game’s initial marketing.

Those folks shouldn’t worry; any thematic point to be made about religion, the United States or the current state of the nation’s politics is quickly thrown aside to make way for all sorts of jokes and lighthearted hijinks — although you’ll also see a lot of crucifixions in your travels. It’s clear that this is a cult based on Christianity, but holy hell, is the game careful to dance around that fact. Ubisoft wanted the evocative art of these religious references for the marketing of Far Cry 5, but the game itself is too timid to do anything with them, let alone dig into their historical baggage.''
 

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polygon is butthurt that the game doesnt draw parallels with current day america. You can taste the butthurt:
https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/26/17164878/far-cry-5-review-ps4-pc-xbox-one

''It’s a timely story that could at least try to address the polarized nature of current American politics, or talk about the issues inherent in a country that seems to worship firearms. But I never saw anything that hinted at how these cultists were radicalized. And their ultimate goal, revealed at the end of the game, undercuts any grand statement.''

''The general absence of context in Far Cry 5 feels intentional, as if to smooth over any potentially controversial edges. You’re fighting against a conservative religious cult that has taken control of a big chunk of Montana, which made some conservative and Christian commentators uncomfortable during the game’s initial marketing.

Those folks shouldn’t worry; any thematic point to be made about religion, the United States or the current state of the nation’s politics is quickly thrown aside to make way for all sorts of jokes and lighthearted hijinks — although you’ll also see a lot of crucifixions in your travels. It’s clear that this is a cult based on Christianity, but holy hell, is the game careful to dance around that fact. Ubisoft wanted the evocative art of these religious references for the marketing of Far Cry 5, but the game itself is too timid to do anything with them, let alone dig into their historical baggage.''

If they're looking for a grand political statement from a piece of media, then don't look for it in a AAA video game. They are designed to be Skinner boxes first and foremost.

Polygon once again showing how little they care about games over useless whining. I bet they would rather preorder a Democrat vote for the 2020 elections.
 

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I can't wait to see Waypoint's confused and uncomfortable reaction to Far Cry 5.

AtrocityVoyeur, it's here!

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qvxbeb/far-cry-5-review

Overall there's a lot of complaining that this Far Cry game is a Far Cry game despite grudgingly admitting that there's a lot more new stuff than in the previous entries. Still, you didn't think a Waypoint review would forgo talking about a game's problematic elements, did you?

"(It’s worth noting that, though I never saw the game use the word “Christian” or “evangelical” to describe them, their particular brand of eschatological belief is firmly drawn from those sources, with the Book of Revelation and other scripture serving as the script’s shortcut to creepy cult talk.)"

I didn't add the braces; the guy just inserted the whole thing in the middle of describing the setting. Guess he couldn't think of a smoother way to start blathering on about those pesky Christians. What's odd is the fact that if the villains use quotes from the Bible, that's a direct religious link. Yet it's not quite enough because the characters don't self-assert themselves with the preferred labels of Austin Walker.

"...at all points feeling like cast offs from some unreleased fourth BioShock game."

In the land of Waypoint, all roads lead to Bioshock.

"Take one of the constant refrains from both Joseph Seed and Faith, one of his lieutenants: Why do you always try to solve so many things with violence, they ask, despite their own organizations fondness of brutal torture and your inability to interact with the cult in any way except violence."

Wait a minute! There are faults in this cult's logic! Contradictions in what they say and what they do! Also, why aren't you, like, starting a hashtag campaign to shame the cult into changing their ways? Why is this open world game where you're explicitly tasked with taking out a militant cult filled with all this violence?

"Thematically, Far Cry 5 is such an inconsistent mess of ideas that there is hardly a recognizable through line at all. Instead, the game gestures towards ambiguity as if looking for a shield to save itself with."

Ahhh, here we go. The "Not Nazi enough!" argument.

"This is a game that undeniably knows that Donald Trump is president, but cannot decide if that fact should be punchline or key plot device. "

How the hell could Trump ever be a key plot device in this game?!? C'mon, say it. I genuinely want to hear you out on this one, Walker.

"But an hour later, you’ll be recovering the notorious piss tape from a Russian spy in a pun-filled quest."

No humor allowed!

"Yet when facing more obviously troubling truths, like the racism and xenophobia that swept Trump into office, Far Cry 5 hedges its bets. "

Yes, yes, that is precisely the one and only reason Trump won.

"In one case, a white quest giver complains asked me if I was “One of those eye-talians,” who she was concerned were stealing her jewelry... The irony is that if she'd followed through and said “Hispanics," if there had been no comedy alibi for the racism, the game would have the genuine ability to test what players thought their characters would do."

Ignore the poor grammar -- the "complains asked" part -- there's more of it to come. Anyway, I kind of get this point, but I doubt most rural inhabitants of Montana have Mexican house cleaners either. Besides, is advocating for your preferred brand of bigotry really going to make the game -- and the whole world by extension -- a better place? You know, Walker, the real twist here would be if it was a "PoC" complaining about the stolen goods!

"Or consider the fact that the surprising racial diversity of the game’s cult, which I explored in my interview with creative director Dan Hay last month, means that the Project at Eden’s Gate never quite assumes the stature of the primarily white militias that the game’s developers heavily emphasized their original pitch."

See, more poor grammar. The revelation here is, of course, the fact that diversity is bad. At least this kind of diversity.

"Yet Joseph preaches in front of a modified American flag, and the cult’s leaders are as American as they come: A business savvy self help guru, a military vet, and a sort of pop-culture-and-drug wielding micro-celebrity. Their entire mobilizing purpose is an anxiety about the collapse of the American system, and the appeal they make for joining the cult is the ability to escape the stress of your daily news feed."

And doesn't that sound a lot more interesting and fleshed out than a bunch of psychos who only ever spout racist insults?

"Perhaps, in a different game, the message would be clear: You, player, are the agent of the broken status quo. You’re the one working for conspiracy theorists who complain about globalists and politicians who grouse about “Obama-loving libtards.” You’re defending a culture where every member of Hope County has individually invested in a personal bunker that will never be able to provide them a life of safety and comfort, while the Project supports a collectivist vision of survival. The cult is nothing more than a scapegoat, a whipping boy for all of the problems of Hope County and America writ large."

Ahahahaha, what? It's truly ironic that a writer who complains about a game's lack of clarity has the balls to shit out that convoluted paragraph.

"But Far Cry 5 doesn't earn that reading."

The reading where the cult is a microcosm of America because Trump is a cult leader and anyone who doesn't share your views is a piece of shit?

"UP NEXT Why are we Drawn to Guns in Games and Movies?"

Yeah, no thanks.
 
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Wow, they're incredibly butthurt this isn't a kill Trump voters simulation.

Which is pretty hilarious because they were mocking people for getting upset over the initial reveal seeming to indicate the plot was related entirely to evil redneck Christians Trump supporters (And then they got upset when one of the evil redneck Christians wasn't white.)

Everybodys retarded! but some are more retarded than others.
 

Vault Boy

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Wow, they're incredibly butthurt this isn't a kill Trump voters simulation.
They're also pissy about the fact that the bad guys aren't a bunch of white supremacists and Nazis, but rather an insane doomsday cult. You'd think that they would at least try to take comfort in pretending that the Cult are a bunch of "Bible-thumpers", but I guess even that's not enough for them.

I find myself very interested in getting the game, can't wait to get some impressions from you guys.
 

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I wasn't terribly interested in getting this right away, but now I can't wait. I liked 3 and 4 so I imagine this will be just as good. Also All these reviews are making me want it more. Ben Kuchera giving it a 6.5 because it doesn't represent his personal views is all I need to make it a day one purchase.
 

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Ahem!

There are two books a young man can read while he is a young man, barely into his teens. They are the Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a book featuring a fantastical world, with an unfeasible plot as a corrupt villain faces off against holier then thou heroes, who only through their own convictions end up winning. The other, of course, has orcs.

Atlas Shrugged isn't a book that should be tossed around lightly, it needs to be thrown against the wall at full force!

(I don't know any other Atlas Shrugged jokes. Oh, wait!)

Atlas Shrugged had an interesting progression for it's movie. Part 1 was a big budget studio film. Part 2 was a direct to dvd release with c-list actors. Part 3, last I heard, was trying to get crowdfunding!

(I just realized i had literally the same joke for the first one)

"Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan walk into a bar. The bartender serves them battery acid and they all die because there are no market regulations. The bartender becomes a capitalist demigod but not before delivering a 50 hour speech about how great Objectivism is."

On-topic, I really want to play Far Cry 5 but I'm too busy to play anything at the moment. Not to agree with Kuchera but if his review is anything to go by, I think the devs could have stood to go harder with the cultist stuff.
 
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