Guitar and Bass Discussion - Sperg about players that inspire you, gear, share your experiences, etc.

Hesa

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Because in the late 70's when Fender sold out/off CBS or wtf it was, they outsourced their manufacturing to Japan. They didn't get it right straight away. But within a couple of years (turning point around '80) they had it down better than any American manufacturer could at a cheaper labour point. Oh, and they ended up making better guitars just to prove their point.

Much has been made of the JV line of strats that came out of Japan at that time. I had a Squier Strat from '80 or '82, anyway, it was superb. Not only was it cheaper, but it sounded exactly the same, maybe not so great in fit and finishing but half price you wouldn't complain.

Today, Japanese guitars are seen as some of the best in the world. A lot of that comes from the investment they put in to factories in Matsumotu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsumoku

Based in Matsumoto, Nagano, Japan, they invested heavily in infrastructure. It wasn't long before they were knocking out superior guitars.

There is a whole history of this. Some of us have done the research. It's long and complicated because many company headstock names are just fronts for each other. There are few factories but many more headstocks.

Even Fender played the merry go round later on dillying and dallying with China, Indonesia as labour laws got stricter or more relaxed, they always looked for the main deal. But still guitars are made in Japan today and it is seen as a real craft there and their native brands command very high prices not least because shipping is a bitch outside Japan.

They took that template that they were given and they ran with it. They do strats, gibsons, and every other knock off you can find. But they all observe the cardinal rule: thou shall not copy thy headstock. The headstsock is the signature of the guitar. Ever wonder why you can get a strat or tele for 140 bucks? Well it's because they changed the shape of headstock.

Ibanez, ESP, all have their own factories. Sometimes it's the same factory.

Then you get the dirty stuff like the outsourcing that goes on, claiming it's built in a certain country but they offload it to Indonesia where labour laws are laxer and labour is cheaper, then pass it off by branding the headstock with 'Fender' or wtf. They all do it. Till they get caught. It's a dirty business and it's very hard doing research because they set up a facility in one country, outsource it, then sell it at the other end of the planet.

I can't really boil down my years of research in this area in to a single post, so excuse the schizo nature of it all.

Even today, those old Matsumoko guitars are cherished and revered. Uncle Mat's as they called them.





It's a massive rabbit hole. It helps if you have been buying guitars from this country for several decades.


TL;DR:

It don't matter shit what is writ on your headstock. These fuckers play loose and fast all the time. Using slave labour. Fender, Gibson, the absolute worst offenders. Been going on decades. Every guitar is made in a batch. That is why a lot of Gibsons are bad. They were outsourced with poor quality control. Made massive profits for shareholders. Company got sold again. Thanks Henry!

If you want to know specific stuff, then start asking specific questions: i.e. I have this Ibanez with serial no:********** - can you identify it?

Sometimes we can. Certain serial numbers have ID's for the country they were made in.

I got a guitar on amazon for 100 bucks, was the wrong guitar. They sent me a 200 bucks guitar! But it was unplayable. It was a reject. It came from Japan, where the rest of the stock came from Indonesia. Even had the Jap writing on the headstock in the form of a card saying how much Yen it cost! I whipped that little fucker in to shape within a few hours. New strings, new nut, new action, new intonation. Plays like a fucking champ. Super Strat Aria Pro II (like they used to make in Matsumoku).

Westone guitars are great. Not flashy but do the job right. Thay also had people who could match wood and grain.
 

Orange Rhymer

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Westone guitars are great. Not flashy but do the job right. Thay also had people who could match wood and grain.
Great. Thanks for spending my next paycheck.
My G.A.S. is terminal.

Updates: Life got complicated. I'm working and can't play. 10 hours in a hot factory. Plus commute.
Adulting is hard.

I visited a GC in Cincinnati. Met a failed YouTuber that played quite well, was sponsored by Harley Benton for a while. The GC had the MOST fucked up guitars in their 'B-Stock' room.
I saw a hollow-body Gretch that was bashed through the f-hole,. It was so bad that the wood was cracked, peeling, and de laminated to the point of buzzing when played.
"We'll take off $100, on sale now $899."
lol, fuck you.

In other news - John Mayer was on GMA. Either the sound guy fucked up or the delay was severe. Looks like John is 'finger-synching' over a recording.
I am actively spreading the rumor that John Mayer cannot actually play guitar - He is the Milli Vanilli of the guitar world.

Lol, j/k- no h8
 
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Hesa

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Quite a few Westone guitars had active pickups which people who buy on an off chance don't realise. Something to watch out for if you buy one.
 

A Gay Retard

Vogue says this will be the style in ten years
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Need bass pedal chain suggestions.

This is not necessarily how I have shit linked up right now:
Zvex super-hard-on homebuilt boost clone with split outputs (not switchable as I have it wired right now)
Boss chromatic tuner
Boss bass overdrive ODB-3
Electro harmonix Bass big muff pi
Maestro homebuilt bass brass master clone
Electro harmonix Eddy vibe/chorus with expression in w/ Moog expression pedal
Hotone Krush Bitcrusher (bought on a whim)
Friend is sending me a DOD death metal distortion fx86b that he says needs circuit testing/modification
will probably build more (any suggestions?) , I've got a Blueberry Overdrive I'm working on. probably send it to my friend as a thank-you for the DOD.

Some of these aren't exclusively bass pedals but I like hearing my treble. I keep the zvex SHO at the front (after the tuner) and have been keeping the crusher at the very end for when I feel like fucking around. Signal is coming from a heavily modified LTD b-105 with LTD d-4 guts, so I have a 3-band active eq pushing the signal from the b-105 pups. Currently using a Gallien-Kruger MBS-III that I'll probably stack an accessory cab on.

Shit sounds like hot garbage right now.
 
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Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX

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Updates: Life got complicated. I'm working and can't play. 10 hours in a hot factory. Plus commute.
Adulting is hard.
your better off working at Sneeds.
Some of these aren't exclusively bass pedals but I like hearing my treble. I keep the zvex SHO at the front (after the tuner) and have been keeping the crusher at the very end for when I feel like fucking around. Signal is coming from a heavily modified LTD b-105 with LTD d-4 guts, so I have a 3-band active eq pushing the signal from the b-105 pups. Currently using a Gallien-Kruger MBS-III that I'll probably stack an accessory cab on.

Shit sounds like hot garbage right now.
I'm no bass player, but if it sounds like shit, Remove everything (tuner included) and play a bit just with your bass amp or whatever. This is your bass sound. Then add your tuner, sound the same? move on. Add a pedal at a time, starting with your purchased drives, handmade drives, and lastly effects. find out where it sounds like shit. Handmade can add noise (know that first hand) and effects, especially that eddy current can do weird shit even when "true bypassed" somehow.

In terms of order, I recommend: Tuner >ODB-3>Zvex>Maestro>DOD>Big Muff>Eddie>Bitcrusher

Remember less is more, adding too much shit to a bass loses the point of the bass imo. Also make sure you have a good ratio of true bypass to buffered. too much of either can lower sound quality.
 

Orange Rhymer

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your better off working at Sneeds.

...
I applied to Sneed's, ended up at Chuck's...
I can't even build the 10+ custom overdrive pcbs I bought.
anyway...More hilarity:

Trogly did a video sponsored by RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS. I actually laughed out loud while watching.
Oh, Trogly, you dirty Hebe. Don't EVER change.

60 Cycle Hum and Casino Guitars both went to NAMM. Everyone says it sucked donkey balls.
It sucked so hard, the organizers cancelled the last day. Of course, without refunding any booth-fees.
Cancelled NAMM was yet another reason to love covid. Biden even took that away from me.

Instead of being bored by the 14 people at NAMM, everyone went to the nearby Gibson Garage.
Even a notorious Gibson hater like 60 Cycle Hum went there. Mark Agnasi poured Ryan a whiskey in the 'secret room', and he had to flex for 40 minutes...

Casino Guitars coomed so hard they had an (allegedly) gay experience with a salesman.

Makes me want a Gibson even less.
 

Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX

I miss my old friend
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I applied to Sneed's, ended up at Chuck's...
I can't even build the 10+ custom overdrive pcbs I bought.
anyway...More hilarity:

Trogly did a video sponsored by RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS. I actually laughed out loud while watching.
Oh, Trogly, you dirty Hebe. Don't EVER change.

60 Cycle Hum and Casino Guitars both went to NAMM. Everyone says it sucked donkey balls.
It sucked so hard, the organizers cancelled the last day. Of course, without refunding any booth-fees.
Cancelled NAMM was yet another reason to love covid. Biden even took that away from me.

Instead of being bored by the 14 people at NAMM, everyone went to the nearby Gibson Garage.
Even a notorious Gibson hater like 60 Cycle Hum went there. Mark Agnasi poured Ryan a whiskey in the 'secret room', and he had to flex for 40 minutes...

Casino Guitars coomed so hard they had an (allegedly) gay experience with a salesman.

Makes me want a Gibson even less.
Idk, the Gibson garage almost makes me want to fork up a couple grand I don't own, looks cool if I could grab a beer there any listen to music...

Casino guitars actually is ok in my book as well. They first did a John Cruz video after he got fired (see spoiler below for details) but then actually interviewed him about his new brand, which I HIGHLY doubt any of these other snakes would do for him.

Lastly, can we gay-op a Q&A for trogley to see if he will admit if he's jewish or not? My guess is probably mormon which is almost as bad.

John Cruz was the former king of relics for fender custom shop. Last year during the riots and the notorious highway blocking, he posted a now deleted meme on facebook with a car covered in blood and protest signs. As a result, he was immediately fired from fender with no offical reason given. Most of the gear pages and musicans did their usual bs calling him problematic (despite being mexican, not even muh wyyyite ppl ) and a very nice dude.
 

A Gay Retard

Vogue says this will be the style in ten years
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Us homosexual retards should probably not be trusted with soldering irons,,,,
I just wanna buy a used Clone Theory and crack it open to try to mod it for Hook's tone so badly :'(. If you can't tell from my setup I like both doom and new wave, and getting up on the D and G when people will let me pretend to lead. It's why there are guitar pedals in my horde; I fucked around on a knockoff Les Paul before I decided "fuck chords" and got a 5-string. I need to know what's different about his Clone that makes New Order so perfect.
 

Orange Rhymer

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Idk, the Gibson garage almost makes me want to fork up a couple grand I don't own, looks cool if I could grab a beer there any listen to music...

Casino guitars actually is ok in my book as well. They first did a John Cruz video after he got fired (see spoiler below for details) but then actually interviewed him about his new brand, which I HIGHLY doubt any of these other snakes would do for him.

Lastly, can we gay-op a Q&A for trogley to see if he will admit if he's jewish or not? My guess is probably mormon which is almost as bad.

John Cruz was the former king of relics for fender custom shop. Last year during the riots and the notorious highway blocking, he posted a now deleted meme on facebook with a car covered in blood and protest signs. As a result, he was immediately fired from fender with no offical reason given. Most of the gear pages and musicans did their usual bs calling him problematic (despite being mexican, not even muh wyyyite ppl ) and a very nice dude.
Fender Custom can't relic. There is a controversy about 'stencils' being used, and looks like Fender is back to the CNC controlled flap-sander.

Cons: All the relic patterns seem hauntingly similar. Even on different guitars.
Pros: You like palm trees, right?

Poopot-Fender-relic-Stratocaster-comparison.jpg

More news: Looks like 10S guitars is ball-skin close to assfucking it's entire customer base. KDH did 2 vids on the sketchy things occurring. People pre-paid for guitars and *surprise*, 2 years later = no guitar.

Have we not learned from the videogame industry?
 
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Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX

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Fender Custom hasn't relic'd decently since John Cruz. I saw a review of a 2020 relic'd tele, and looks like Fender is back to the CNC controlled flap-sander.
Cons: All the relic patterns seem hauntingly similar. Even on different guitars.
Pros: You like palm trees, right?

More news: Looks like 10S guitars is ball-skin close to assfucking it's entire customer base. KDH did 2 vids on the sketchy things occurring. People pre-paid for guitars and *surprise*, 2 years later = no guitar.

Have we not learned from the videogame industry?
I really don't get the appeal of going to companies like that. Just go to some of the bigger names. don't like fender? well you go suhr, prs, danocasters, and 100 more RELIABLE custom makers. Don't like Gibson? same story, especially with heritage.

Stop buying from chink-owned brands unless they eat sushi!
 

Orange Rhymer

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Idk, the Gibson garage almost makes me want to fork up a couple grand I don't own, looks cool if I could grab a beer there any listen to music...

Casino guitars actually is ok in my book as well. They first did a John Cruz video after he got fired (see spoiler below for details) but then actually interviewed him about his new brand, which I HIGHLY doubt any of these other snakes would do for him.

Lastly, can we gay-op a Q&A for trogley to see if he will admit if he's jewish or not? My guess is probably mormon which is almost as bad.

John Cruz was the former king of relics for fender custom shop. Last year during the riots and the notorious highway blocking, he posted a now deleted meme on facebook with a car covered in blood and protest signs. As a result, he was immediately fired from fender with no offical reason given. Most of the gear pages and musicans did their usual bs calling him problematic (despite being mexican, not even muh wyyyite ppl ) and a very nice dude.
Worthless plebs like us don't get shit in the Gibson Garage. It's not a bar. You only get to sip whiskey in the back if:
1) You are an 'important' star
2) You are a notable 'influencer'
3) You drop _6_ figures on a guitar. Not 5, you clown, SIX.

Money makes the monkey dance, and I got lead feet.

(remember: salesman hostility is the first sign that you got a good deal)
 

Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX

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I just wanna buy a used Clone Theory and crack it open to try to mod it for Hook's tone so badly
I don't blame you for that. Reminds me that I new to listen to more Joy Division.
Pros: You like palm trees, right?
OOF thats pretty bad. And I remember people giving fender shit because the VINTERA's had that at $1k.
 

A Gay Retard

Vogue says this will be the style in ten years
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I don't blame you for that. Reminds me that I new to listen to more Joy Division.
Disorder > Love will Tear us Apart if you want to hear Hook redefine bass guitar in rock music.

I built a better pedalboard yesterday. B/W so I avoid the remote possibility of a PL with the unique color I painted it.

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I'm gonna pop more holes in it to tie things down with zip ties wherever I don't want to use velcro. Bought a beat-to-shit Boss NS-2 noise suppressor. I'm gonna put that after the boosts/fuzzes/distortions but before the Eddie vibe/chorus.

Hopefully I'm not being retarded, or gay.
 

Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX

I miss my old friend
True & Honest Fan
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Disorder > Love will Tear us Apart if you want to hear Hook redefine bass guitar in rock music.

I built a better pedalboard yesterday. B/W so I avoid the remote possibility of a PL with the unique color I painted it.

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I'm gonna pop more holes in it to tie things down with zip ties wherever I don't want to use velcro. Bought a beat-to-shit Boss NS-2 noise suppressor. I'm gonna put that after the boosts/fuzzes/distortions but before the Eddie vibe/chorus.

Hopefully I'm not being retarded, or gay.
Yeah keep us updated, we don't have much bass talk in here. As I said, I'm a racist not a bassist, but always happy to hear more and learn more.
 

Orange Rhymer

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Disorder > Love will Tear us Apart if you want to hear Hook redefine bass guitar in rock music.

I built a better pedalboard yesterday. B/W so I avoid the remote possibility of a PL with the unique color I painted it.

View attachment 2374356

I'm gonna pop more holes in it to tie things down with zip ties wherever I don't want to use velcro. Bought a beat-to-shit Boss NS-2 noise suppressor. I'm gonna put that after the boosts/fuzzes/distortions but before the Eddie vibe/chorus.

Hopefully I'm not being retarded, or gay.
Good fucking job! Looks pro AF. Not even kidding.
Love the access angle. My ankle feels better already.

Joy Division is boss.
Love Will Tear Us Apart is a good song. I can play ~3/4 on guitar.
 

Ramborambo

Rainbow Monkey Dildo Story Hour
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I don't know how to type it in music language, but I like when guitar go like "beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno" and bass go like "bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder" and then guitar go all like "ERRRRRRRRR BAHT DAHT DAHT BAHT DAHT BEDAHNT" and bass go all like "baw dum dum baw dum dedum baw wa dedum dum" and guitar come back to go all "BOWWWOWOWO zzzzzzzzzzawoawaowwoawaow BEHNT" guitar is cool guy.
 

Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX

I miss my old friend
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I don't know how to type it in music language, but I like when guitar go like "beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno beywo wehno" and bass go like "bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder bom deder" and then guitar go all like "ERRRRRRRRR BAHT DAHT DAHT BAHT DAHT BEDAHNT" and bass go all like "baw dum dum baw dum dedum baw wa dedum dum" and guitar come back to go all "BOWWWOWOWO zzzzzzzzzzawoawaowwoawaow BEHNT" guitar is cool guy.
Ahh yes, cowboy from Kid Rock, a classic!
 

Billy_Sama

♂Love and Muscle in Heaven♂
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I really don't get the appeal of going to companies like that. Just go to some of the bigger names. don't like fender? well you go suhr, prs, danocasters, and 100 more RELIABLE custom makers. Don't like Gibson? same story, especially with heritage.

Stop buying from chink-owned brands unless they eat sushi!
The only China based brand I would bother getting is Eastman since the Chinese founder it actually gives a damn about guitars and instruments than fly by night factories and doesn't pay Youtubers to shill them.
 
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