James Arthur Watkins a/k/a "Jim Watkins" vs. Fredrick Robert Brennan (2019) - Libel tort in the Republic of the Philippines.

BEST_MAN_202

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This gives me a chance to link to my awesome timestamps on Null's recent Mad at the Internet stream!

The relevant one is:
00:25:20 "Jim Watkins owns a huge chunk of the internet: he owns a 16- or 12-bit IPv4 range"

tl;dw: Jim is not poor AF. Far from it, in fact. As Null explains, if Jim sold his 12-net (and he doesn't even need all of those IPs), he'd get millions of dollars. Also: he could find a plethora of willing buyers immediately. Also also: Jim is the exact kind of person who would do this just to fund an Internet slapfight.
>Jim is the exact kind of person who would do this just to fund an Internet slapfight.
Not really, he Doesn't seem to put that much effort into keeping 8kun up and making shure it stays up, it isn't his top priority at the moment. He is able to fund and host 8chan easily he has the money to make his own DDOS protection service and he has quite a lot of ips so he can still easily host the website on the web, also he has is own web hosting service. He is smart and it is obvious to anyone that he isn't putting all his money in a failed project that barely anyone cares about anymore, not even most 8chansusers care about 8kun only qboomers and he is already doing a successful grift in order to get money from the only people that care. If 5ch was at risk shutting down it would be different.
His main money maker is 5ch so I doubt he will sell all of his IPs because 8kun isn't up.
You are also forgetting he is a millionaire so he doesn't even need to sell all of his IPs. That's how he made so much companies and shell corporations in the first place.
 
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If Jim is poor AF, the Philippines offers a different justice system called "Tulfo", which is simply a public shaming.
To those that don't know, Tulfo is a guy who hosts an IBS like show, but without the crippled indian and dumb canadian, and instead of internet spergs, you have people discussing shit like marital infidelity on national radio and tv. Occasionally you get people who completely chimp out.
 

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>Jim is the exact kind of person who would do this just to fund an Internet slapfight.
Not really, he Doesn't seem to put that much effort into keeping 8kun up and making shure it stays up, it isn't his top priority at the moment. He is able to fund and host 8chan easily he has the money to make his own DDOS protection service and he has quite a lot of ips so he can still easily host the website on the web, also he has is own web hosting service. He is smart and it is obvious to anyone that he isn't putting all his money in a failed project that barely anyone cares about anymore, not even most 8chansusers care about 8kun only qboomers and he is already doing a successful grift in order to get money from the only people that care. If 5ch was at risk shutting down it would be different.
His main money maker is 5ch so I doubt he will sell all of his IPs because 8kun isn't up.
You are also forgetting he is a millionaire so he doesn't even need to sell all of his IPs. That's how he made so much companies and shell corporations in the first place.
Good point about Jim being a millionaire already.

Re: 8kun, sure, he might not care. But I'd suggest that he's probably starting to care a whole lot about Fredrick getting up in his business. That's more the 'slapfight' I was referring to. i.e. Interfering with Jim's Philippines naturalization, actively working to keep one of Jim's websites offline, the lawsuit 'senility' libel, whatever the fuck Fredrick is trying to do right this moment by looking back through archives of Jim's porn sites, and so on.

Basically, I agree with the assessment Null made on the MATI stream: Jim Watkins is an angry, angry person with a shitload of money, and Fredrick seems to be trying his best to draw Jim's ire.
 

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Edit: After a bit of perusing saw this line that sorta stood out to me:
Oh that is going to fucking suck if this claim passes the mustard for libel (or Jim pays off the judge to find it so).
>It's true
>Don't care, into prison you go.
 

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I don't feel too bad, if you hadn't been autistic on twitter and just said "no comment" when journos came looking, none of these dumb lawsuits would have happened. That said, you're likely to win.
Hotwheels has never been much for acting logically.

He's what, closer to death then ever and I really don't think he'll ever learn.
Every year past 35 and he's living on borrowed time.
 

Yotsubaaa

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Truth is not an affirmative defense in the Philippines.
It isn't? (Not rhetorical by the way, I could well be reading this wrong)
Defenses for Defamation in the Philippines

Similar to most democracies around the world, truth is a viable defense for slander and libel under Philippines defamation laws. “Fair reporting” also qualifies.

Similar to the United States, intent plays a role in Philippines slander and libel lawsuits. Plaintiffs who can prove that their respective defendants purposefully published or broadcast false information, have a better shot at winning.
 

Slimy Time

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It isn't? (Not rhetorical by the way, I could well be reading this wrong)
Truth may be viable, but from what I am reading it is not an absolute defence - "A libel is public and malicious imputation of a crime, or of a vice or defect, real or imaginary, or any act, omission, condition, status, or circumstance tending to cause the dishonor, discredit, or contempt of a natural or juridical person, or to blacken the memory of one who is dead...In every criminal prosecution for libel, the truth may be given in evidence to the court and if it appears that the matter charged as libelous is true, and, moreover, that it was published with good motives and for justifiable ends, the defendants shall be acquitted."

http://www.chanrobles.com/revisedpenalcodeofthephilippinesbook2.htm

From what I can gather, truth may be used as a defence but you also have to show that you used it in a manner with "good motives and for justifiable ends", simply proving that the thing said is true does not get you off if you intended to use it to dishonor or discredit the person.

If Jim's accusations stick and it is considered to hit the threshold for libelous material, then looks like Hotwheels is fucked. There is no way one can point at Brennan's actions online (which he has documented well himself) and say that he went after Jim with good motives and justifiable ends, because he's been coming off as spite fuelled in his attempts to get his site shut down.

I'm also pretty sure he's using this so he can jump to using all the times Brennan has gone after his site as evidence towards malice.
 

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From what I can gather, truth may be used as a defence but you also have to show that you used it in a manner with "good motives and for justifiable ends", simply proving that the thing said is true does not get you off if you intended to use it to dishonor or discredit the person.
The First Amendment in the United States cares very little about this if the statement is true or, if not true, is not meant as a statement of fact in the first place. Brennan would do quite well here in a similar case.

This excerpt from Larry Flynt's deposition in a libel case for a parody ad portraying him as having sex with his own mother is an example of exactly how little the law cares:

Q: And didn't it occur to you that if that wasn't true, you were attacking a man in his profession?

A: Yes.

Q: Did you appreciate, at the time that you wrote "okay," or approved this publication, that for Reverend Falwell to function in his livelihood, and in his commitment and career, he has to have an integrity that people believe in? Did you not appreciate that?

A: Yeah.

Q: And wasn't one of your objectives to destroy that integrity, or harm it, if you could?

A: To assassinate it.
 

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I thought hotwheels was an expat and currently a Filipino citizen? Is he still a US citizen? Is that how he still qualifies for disability?
He wouldn't get disability benefits at all. His medical condition didn't prevent him from working. His mind worked fine and his body worked well enough to sit at a computer. It's hard for people who can do non-physical labor to get disability benefits in most non-gib countries like the USA.
 
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He wouldn't get disability benefits at all. His medical condition didn't prevent him from working. His mind worked fine and his body worked well enough to sit at a computer. It's hard for people who can do non-physical labor to get disability benefits in most non-gib countries like the USA.
If you have objective medical conditions that meet the Listing of Impairments, it doesn't matter if you can actually work at a money-earning full-time job. You can choose not to do so and still get SSI. Osteogenesis imperfecta is one of those qualifying conditions and he has about as severe a form of it as you can have.

If he actually does work for pay on a full-time basis, though, that would disqualify him.
 

Orange Rhymer

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He wouldn't get disability benefits at all. His medical condition didn't prevent him from working. His mind worked fine and his body worked well enough to sit at a computer. It's hard for people who can do non-physical labor to get disability benefits in most non-gib countries like the USA.
meh -i've seen it both ways in the US. I've seen 'potatoes' sitting on the subway in a custom 3 piece suit and a BT in their ear. I've also seen an (SA) Goon in a wheelchair - broadcasting on Twitch playing vidya and begging for Patreon and subscribers... Anyone on can get disability, depends more on your local office.

HW prolly registered for gimmedats in NYC, nobody gives a shit there. They consider it universal income..

Either way - if the nigga can act like the Philippine internet AntiFa chapter, his bennys need to be cut.
 
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