Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

ShiftyBoi

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More comic. Yawn.
Could Gardevoir accept being turned down, drama free?
And also is Lily going to scold Bonnie for trying to force this relationship to happen?

Oh wait. Bonnie was born due to that exact same relationship she's trying to force.
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This is so inconsistent, they're a pair and then they aren't. It's almost like it's only when it's convenient.
 
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I'm just so bored and the pacing again is shit. Why keep making updates that in-universe only last mere seconds with absolutely no sense of tension to justify the cut?

This is not even a problem of Mikaila not wanting/being unable to do something more dinamic, but just the writing dragging itself out like a snail. If I were an actual reader of this mess I would have abandon it a long time ago, because there is only so much time I'm willing to waste before wanting to read something else that is actually entertaining.

This is the exact same shit you criticized SU for, Liliana, you know this causes satisfaction to no one. At least Sugar had enough lore to keep fandom entertained for a bit until new episodes came out, your comic is just a chore to go through, one that you only make longer than it needs to be. Just please have something happen for once.
 

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okay, but an informal review thats intended as entertainment is not equivalent to a video discussing game development the tone of both Zero Punctuation and the Dev Diaries are wildly different and entirely made to be interacted with differently. acting like people being surprised that Yahtzee is good at making games is less an indication of people being turned off by him being a sweary angry internat man, but because most of them aren't aware he makes games.
There’s also just the fact that Zero Punctuation is clearly playing up the anger for comedy, while Peet over here would get my vote for the "Most Likely To Shoot Up Their Workplace" award with how completely serious he is about some of his creepy often violent fantasies and statements.
 

Duine In Cudromach

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Okay, so we're headed into an emotional nadir with G, right? These panels are going to concentrate on that emotion, and to that end it's actually going to be almost silent. The art is going to be really important here, so this is where Mikaila will have to step up and, if not markedly improve, then at least tighten up so the emotional impact can resonate.

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YEAH SURE THAT'S PERFECT THIS IS FINE

(I was really hoping the follow-up panel would be G punching her in the face.)

I know it's been said that it's pointless to harp on Mikaila's art but this is honestly dreadful. Like... how can an artist (and I think Mikaila is actually in art school? I might have misinterpreted something though) look at this and think yes, this is the product I want to put out in the world. I am proud of this. This is how I want to represent my skills.

And Lily had to look at it say yes, this is acceptable, this is how I want my story to be told.


Aliana isn't a self-insert!
Meanwhile, people in the thread are referring to Lily as 'Liliana' and I just realized that Aliana -- in addition to being a name that feels out of place in Star Wars -- is almost an anagram for 'Liliana'. Just drop an extra L.

I'm sure that was completely coincidental.
 

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Okay, so we're headed into an emotional nadir with G, right? These panels are going to concentrate on that emotion, and to that end it's actually going to be almost silent. The art is going to be really important here, so this is where Mikaila will have to step up and, if not markedly improve, then at least tighten up so the emotional impact can resonate.

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YEAH SURE THAT'S PERFECT THIS IS FINE

(I was really hoping the follow-up panel would be G punching her in the face.)

I know it's been said that it's pointless to harp on Mikaila's art but this is honestly dreadful. Like... how can an artist (and I think Mikaila is actually in art school? I might have misinterpreted something though) look at this and think yes, this is the product I want to put out in the world. I am proud of this. This is how I want to represent my skills.

And Lily had to look at it say yes, this is acceptable, this is how I want my story to be told.



Meanwhile, people in the thread are referring to Lily as 'Liliana' and I just realized that Aliana -- in addition to being a name that feels out of place in Star Wars -- is almost an anagram for 'Liliana'. Just drop an extra L.

I'm sure that was completely coincidental.
Eh
I'm somewhat of an artist myself and even I don't really care about the artwork of the comic anymore.
Sure it's low-effort and sloppy given the tone, but, be honest could you stand drawing this dreck for more than 5 minutes?
The real problem is that despite how many entries there are, Mikail never changes or experiments. Not that the fans would notice.
It's not that she's repeating bad habits or cutting corners, it's just clear she doesn't care. Every pose and face is pretty much the same, pen pressure is never used so every line has the same weight, the format is never unique, etc etc etc. But honestly none of that matters, because we all know Lily's policy on art vs writing. She's fine having this art represent her story because in the end, we all know what really matters to her.

You could compile panel after panel of this crap comic and they still wouldn't care. Because it's just supposed to look so heckin cute and soft so ya'll need to stop whining. No effort makes it better.

The best argument for the comic is to use an example like One Punch Man, the main character is a hero as a hobby, so the author took up drawing with the same attitude. To them it doesn't matter how shit the comic looks, they had fun writing it supposedly, and as much as I hate to say it, that's just fine. Just maybe hold off on the rape fantasies.
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I usually don't care about the artwork-- it's bad, it's acknowledged it's bad, Mikaila has a hissy fit about how she 'hasn't finished art school' and therefore it's allowed to be bad, and she doesn't really have any funny tics that make it worthwhile. But this was specifically a page where that artwork had to carry the story because there's only one piece of dialogue and she draws... that.

I know Lily does not give a shit about the artwork (which begs the question of why she decided to work on a comic, and yes I know the answer is 'comics get more attention'), but the artist certainly should. I mean:
Sure it's low-effort and sloppy given the tone, but, be honest could you stand drawing this dreck for more than 5 minutes?
No, I wouldn't, because I wouldn't associate myself with this dreck to begin with.

But Mikaila did. She's doing the comic, as far as I can tell, for exposure. I understand not bothering to put your all into a project if you aren't getting any kind of compensation-- but as an artist myself I just can't fathom putting out something like this and deciding it's fine. To make art you kind of have to have any kind of investment in what you're doing, emotional or financial. Mikaila isn't getting anything financial out of this, so she must be invested, if not in the comic, then at least in Lily. Yet the number of fucks she gives seems to roll into the negatives.

Plus, her Patreon is being plugged at the bottom. Even if you don't believe in the comic (and yeah, who would?) you can at least try to advance your skills and show off what you can do if you're hoping that exposure will get you financial compensation in the foreseeable future. Looking at the quality of the art, are you inclined to go see what else she does and pay her? Judging by her Patreon (sitting at $30/mo as I type this), no. Nobody is.

I don't mean to disparage your point, although I don't think One-Punch Man is an apt comparison. That's one guy doing all the writing and art, pumping out a chapter every month, experimenting with his art and improving as he goes. As you said, Mikaila just... doesn't. Her artwork is static. She never tries anything adventurous. And I just don't think there's an excuse-- there's no deadline to meet, there's no quota, and Lily is the one on writing duty so all Mikaila has to concentrate on is the art, and she can't even figure out how to format a panel properly to incorporate word balloons.

And I've definitely enjoyed works where the artwork was very much secondary. 1/0 is my favorite webcomic of all time and it was just some guy with a Sharpie and fairly rudimentary art skill. The dialogue and characters really carry that comic, and he acknowledges that he's no artist and works within his limitations, but even so he experimented with angles, detail, texture, more complex character designs. Even if doodling 1/0 was just a dumb pastime for the author, he still took pride in his work.

I really don't mean to go on a huge tangent about the art or Mikaila (and yet...), but the panel was just so egregious it kind of slapped me in the face. Just feels like if I were selling myself as an artist, and I had enough investment in this project to commit to being it's artist, I'd at least be fucking trying-- if not for the project, then at least for my own pride.
 
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Eh
I'm somewhat of an artist myself and even I don't really care about the artwork of the comic anymore.
Sure it's low-effort and sloppy given the tone, but, be honest could you stand drawing this dreck for more than 5 minutes?
The real problem is that despite how many entries there are, Mikail never changes or experiments. Not that the fans would notice.
It's not that she's repeating bad habits or cutting corners, it's just clear she doesn't care. Every pose and face is pretty much the same, pen pressure is never used so every line has the same weight, the format is never unique, etc etc etc. But honestly none of that matters, because we all know Lily's policy on art vs writing. She's fine having this art represent her story because in the end, we all know what really matters to her.

You could compile panel after panel of this crap comic and they still wouldn't care. Because it's just supposed to look so heckin cute and soft so ya'll need to stop whining. No effort makes it better.

The best argument for the comic is to use an example like One Punch Man, the main character is a hero as a hobby, so the author took up drawing with the same attitude. To them it doesn't matter how shit the comic looks, they had fun writing it supposedly, and as much as I hate to say it, that's just fine. Just maybe hold off on the rape fantasies.
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The excellent writing excuses the amateur art of the OPM comic. Lilly's comic doesn't have the art to excuse the writing or the writing to excuse the art.
 

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I usually don't care about the artwork-- it's bad, it's acknowledged it's bad, Mikaila has a hissy fit about how she 'hasn't finished art school' and therefore it's allowed to be bad, and she doesn't really have any funny tics that make it worthwhile. But this was specifically a page where that artwork had to carry the story because there's only one piece of dialogue and she draws... that.

I know Lily does not give a shit about the artwork (which begs the question of why she decided to work on a comic, and yes I know the answer is 'comics get more attention'), but the artist certainly should. I mean:

No, I wouldn't, because I wouldn't associate myself with this dreck to begin with.

But Mikaila did. She's doing the comic, as far as I can tell, for exposure. I understand not bothering to put your all into a project if you aren't getting any kind of compensation-- but as an artist myself I just can't fathom putting out something like this and deciding it's fine. To make art you kind of have to have any kind of investment in what you're doing, emotional or financial. Mikaila isn't getting anything financial out of this, so she must be invested, if not in the comic, then at least in Lily. Yet the number of fucks she gives seems to roll into the negatives.

Plus, her Patreon is being plugged at the bottom. Even if you don't believe in the comic (and yeah, who would?) you can at least try to advance your skills and show off what you can do if you're hoping that exposure will get you financial compensation in the foreseeable future. Looking at the quality of the art, are you inclined to go see what else she does and pay her? Judging by her Patreon (sitting at $30/mo as I type this), no. Nobody is.

I don't mean to disparage your point, although I don't think One-Punch Man is an apt comparison. That's one guy doing all the writing and art, pumping out a chapter every month, experimenting with his art and improving as he goes. As you said, Mikaila just... doesn't. Her artwork is static. She never tries anything adventurous. And I just don't think there's an excuse-- there's no deadline to meet, there's no quota, and Lily is the one on writing duty so all Mikaila has to concentrate on is the art, and she can't even figure out how to format a panel properly to incorporate word balloons.

And I've definitely enjoyed works where the artwork was very much secondary. 1/0 is my favorite webcomic of all time and it was just some guy with a Sharpie and fairly rudimentary art skill. The dialogue and characters really carry that comic, and he acknowledges that he's no artist and works within his limitations, but even so he experimented with angles, detail, texture, more complex character designs. Even if doodling 1/0 was just a dumb pastime for the author, he still took pride in his work.

I really don't mean to go on a huge tangent about the art or Mikaila (and yet...), but the panel was just so egregious it kind of slapped me in the face. Just feels like if I were selling myself as an artist, and I had enough investment in this project to commit to being it's artist, I'd at least be fucking trying-- if not for the project, then at least for my own pride.
A good point. By comparing the comic to One Punch Man, I wasn't saying One was doing the same thing Mikail is, I mean ffs it's One Punch Man, I was saying Mikail probably sees the comic as a pass-time (like Saitama) and an excuse to shoot the shit and geek out over OCs with Lily all day.

Of course that's still no excuse not to give a shit, and Mikail in all honesty is a really shitty artist. She doesn't try and won't ever improve, but she still gets pissy when someone correctly points out she didn't try and won't ever improve. She's like the epitome of the "art school brats" that Lily claims are taking over the animation industry. Just a NEET with rudimentary skills in Illustrator who expects to scoot by on Patreon girlfriend money. It's also likely Lily's been paying her for porn.
 

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Does Jerry have a neck brace or something? To deal with the amount of mood whiplash in his content? uwu look at the cute babu doing relatable things and being cute at it.
 

Son Goku Baku

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Eh
I'm somewhat of an artist myself and even I don't really care about the artwork of the comic anymore.
Sure it's low-effort and sloppy given the tone, but, be honest could you stand drawing this dreck for more than 5 minutes?
The real problem is that despite how many entries there are, Mikail never changes or experiments. Not that the fans would notice.
It's not that she's repeating bad habits or cutting corners, it's just clear she doesn't care. Every pose and face is pretty much the same, pen pressure is never used so every line has the same weight, the format is never unique, etc etc etc. But honestly none of that matters, because we all know Lily's policy on art vs writing. She's fine having this art represent her story because in the end, we all know what really matters to her.

You could compile panel after panel of this crap comic and they still wouldn't care. Because it's just supposed to look so heckin cute and soft so ya'll need to stop whining. No effort makes it better.

The best argument for the comic is to use an example like One Punch Man, the main character is a hero as a hobby, so the author took up drawing with the same attitude. To them it doesn't matter how shit the comic looks, they had fun writing it supposedly, and as much as I hate to say it, that's just fine. Just maybe hold off on the rape fantasies.
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The thing with OPM is that even if the art is absolute dog shit, the author still has an impeccable technique in pair with many professionals. The composition of each page, the tension that can arise, the pacing, the fight scenes, all of that is well done in such a way that you don't even care the characters look like that because at least they are well placed, the page is aesthetically pleasing and there is never a momet of confusion where you don't know where your eyes are supose to go, where the story is just lacking.

I have seen artists that draw so much better, but have no idea of how to format a page, compose the elements on the picture or transmit a tone or emotion in a scene without relying on a character's expression or something obvious like painting the whole thing blue. It's not just the story that carries OPM, or only the characters, but also the fact that the author is someone that genuelly loves manga and has studied how to do manga all his life. The skill might not be there but the knowledge is.

I don't know if Mikaila even likes comics seeing her work. It feels as if she has never sat down to even read one in her entire life. If what she really likes is just doing illustrations then they could have made a written story and Mikaila put on better done drawings between some parragraphs just to puntuate emotional moments. Instead this is just a boring string of panel with zero creativity or enthusiasm shown anywhere.

It's also likely Lily's been paying her for porn.
That for sure. We already saw a little bit of that with that "training" picture between Lalaina and Rey. I have no doubt on my mind there is a version somewhere of that exact same picture but without clothing and more sweat.
 

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More comic. Yawn.
Could Gardevoir accept being turned down, drama free?
And also is Lily going to scold Bonnie for trying to force this relationship to happen?

Oh wait. Bonnie was born due to that exact same relationship she's trying to force.
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This is so inconsistent, they're a pair and then they aren't. It's almost like it's only when it's convenient.
Suddenly I’m reminded of her MLP fic and I’m actively concerned about a turn Lily might take with her comic....
 

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I’ve been more emotionally invested in Tails Gets Trolled than I have with this comic.

At least the writing in TGT is so bad that it circles around to being brilliantly funny. Poke-Madhouse is bland melodrama where nothing ever happens to an increasingly narrow list of characters (out of like...6 of Lily’s Pokémon only two besides Gardevoir have appeared in any relative capacity, and even then, sparingly. For a slice of life comic it sure does like to focus almost exclusively on G’s hormones instead of slices of the lives of Lily’s Pokémon.)
 

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Does Jerry have a neck brace or something? To deal with the amount of mood whiplash in his content? uwu look at the cute babu doing relatable things and being cute at it.
Wow, that is one of the worst Creepers I've even seen. Mikala literally just pilled basic shapes ontop of each other and called it a day.

Sorry to be the person to continually harp on Mikalia's art, but...Jesus. Creepers have to be one of the easiest things to draw and she somehow fucked it up.