Law Man charged over Grenfell effigy fire video - British man charged for being offensive by burning cardboard in his garden

Yovevires

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A 46-year-old man from south-east London has been charged over a video posted on social media that showed a cardboard effigy of Grenfell Tower being burned.

Paul Bussetti, from South Norwood, was charged on Friday with two counts of sending, or causing to be sent, grossly offensive material via a public communications network.

He was one of five men who handed themselves into a south London police station in November after the video appeared online.

It showed a cardboard model marked “Grenfell Tower” being placed over a fire in what appeared to be a back garden in which an England flag was mounted on a pole.

Bystanders could be heard saying, “Help me, help me!” and “Jump out the window!” One of them waved a cutout of a person in a window, several of which appeared to have been coloured brown.

Seventy-two people died as a result of the blaze at the 24-storey block in North Kensington, west London, on 14 June 2017.

Bussetti is due to appear at Westminster magistrates court on 30 April.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/15/man-charged-over-cardboard-grenfell-fire-video

Oi, you got a loicense for that cardboard burning, mate?
 

MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

This will all end in tears, I just know it.
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At this point nothing the UK does really surprises me anymore.
The only thing that surprises me is that he wasn't thrown in the slammer for starting an outdoor fire.
I can't believe they let such a dangerous individual roam free for so long. Harboring weapons such as "Fire" and "Cardboard". Thank god the rozzers were able to catch this terrorist.
It really shouldn't surprise anyone that the police are only willing to go after old codgers and generally ineffectual people, if they were any legitimate threat the police would be keeping their distance for the simple absence of any force multipliers when it comes to people wielding a fence plank.
 

KotatsuApe

It's warm in here
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Damn, stricter than Soviet Russia.

Do you think He'll have to serve time in jail?
I remember a time in my country when everyone and his mother could toss around accuses of defamation to have content they didn't like removed, so the government made a law that allowed you to mark a content as satire and make it immune to legal accusations (unless it involved fascism). I wonder if the UK has something like that...
 

Slimy Time

Rape Face #3
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Does the UK allow you to, say, burn a UK flag? That's such a big bitching point in the US, how does a country with no free speech but also no self respect handle that?
IIRC, under a EU directive, all flags which are sold must be made of fireproof/fire resistant material. You probably couldn't burn one if you wanted to.
Remember HWNDU? When they held the flag in Europe, /pol/ couldn't burn it because it was made of the material.
 

Triggered Fivehead

Intersex prodigy (according to parent)
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"handed themselves into a south London police station"

Why on earth would they do that? The UK is insane. If I were to film me slamming a black toy car into a wall while playing Candle In The Wind, would I be named and shamed in the newspapers as well?
 

Gustav Schuchardt

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If I were to film me slamming a black toy car into a wall while playing Candle In The Wind, would I be named and shamed in the newspapers as well?
If a Twitter mob decided you were being offensive, then yeah.

Some dude was arrested for joking about a road accident.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/23/glasgow-crash-tweet_n_6371428.html

Police have arrested a 19-year-old man over an "offensive" tweet about the Glasgow bin lorry crash that has killed six people.

The tweet, which has since been deleted along with the account that posted it, joked about the tragedy, in which the driver lost control of the vehicle and drove on the pavement, hitting Christmas shoppers "like pinballs".

The tweet said: "So a bin lorry has apparently driven in 100 people in Glasgow eh, probably the most trash it's picked up in one day".

The arrested man, believed to be Ross Loraine, from Sunderland, handed himself in to Northumbria Police.

The force said he was arrested on suspicion of making a malicious communication and had been bailed while they investigated.

Speaking before the arrest was announced, Steve Kuncewisz, a solicitor specialising in media law, said the tweet could constitute an offence under The Communications Act.

He added some of the responses to the tweet - including insults and threats - could also be an offence under the same act.

He said: "The wisdom of the crowd is not always present in situations like this. And the wisdom of the this one guy seems to have deserted him. But whether or this would justify an arrest of prosecution, I'm not so sure."

People mourning the tragedy tweeted their anger at this and other "sick jokes" they said others were making on social media.

Speaking earlier today, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that Glasgow was waking with a "broken heart" but praised the city's resilience.

She added: "This city will pull together to support those who have been affected, not just in the days ahead but in the weeks and months to come."
The dumb thing is people have always made jokes like this after something nasty happens. It's just that if you do it on social media and a social media mob develops, the police will now arrest you.

In a darkly Orwellian twist Patreon claims it bans people for 'Manifest Observable Behaviour' rather than their political views. Though it very obviously does ban for political views too.

So in general you're free to say what you want. Unless the mob objects and then you'll be censored, arrested, fired, and possibly imprisoned.
 

HoTTaKe

109 countries and 1 frigid, lifeless spacerock!
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Getting raped by roving packs of muslims?
You filthy fucker not only do you like my eleet postings but you beat me to this one fair and square.
Have a (you) - you earned it.

Do I still get points for adding "Having 12 kids in a council house on bennies and complaining to the Daily Mail that you need more gibs?" - cos you can still do that I fink m8
 

Ginger Piglet

Fictional Manhunt Survivor
True & Honest Fan
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If a Twitter mob decided you were being offensive, then yeah.

Some dude was arrested for joking about a road accident.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/23/glasgow-crash-tweet_n_6371428.html



The dumb thing is people have always made jokes like this after something nasty happens. It's just that if you do it on social media and a social media mob develops, the police will now arrest you.

In a darkly Orwellian twist Patreon claims it bans people for 'Manifest Observable Behaviour' rather than their political views. Though it very obviously does ban for political views too.

So in general you're free to say what you want. Unless the mob objects and then you'll be censored, arrested, fired, and possibly imprisoned.
It just gets worse. Given the intent to regulate social media and fine tech execs for allowing people to post "hateful" content, the Porn Laws, and that police officer from Humberside who rang up a person not even in Humberside because that person liked a poem on twatter about transgenders that they objected to, in order to "check his thinking," I can't help but feel that political asylum somewhere less fucking miserable is in my future.

Unfortunately, where will I go? Australia and NZ are heading down the same road after Christchurch, Canada likewise, and the USA is going that way culturally if not legally. I refuse to go live in continental Europe because they're even further down that track than anywhere else, and my Anglo tongue would never get round the floods of consonants that characterise the various Slavic languages so Russia or Eastern Europe is out.

Also, seeking asylum for anything short of purges or pogroms or gulags is weak. Pick a side, damn it.

IIRC, under a EU directive, all flags which are sold must be made of fireproof/fire resistant material. You probably couldn't burn one if you wanted to.
Remember HWNDU? When they held the flag in Europe, /pol/ couldn't burn it because it was made of the material.
Depends whether it's fire retardant or flame retardant. One of them means it's coated with a non-combustible chemical, while the other means it's made of inherently non-combustible materials, probably some sort of heavily fluorinated carbon polymer. The one that's merely coated, just stick it in a really hot wash for a couple of hours and it'll go up acceptably. The other you may need to apply some sort of high temperature flammable liquid to it first as that causes it to denature and thermally depolymerise. Petrol, sadly, won't work as it doesn't burn hot enough in its liquid form. Diethyl ether might though. However that would probably put you in breach of some other regulations about disposal of hazardous waste without a loicense. Also, it may give off hydrofluoric acid which is genuinely evil stuff.
 

Gustav Schuchardt

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Unfortunately, where will I go? Australia and NZ are heading down the same road after Christchurch, Canada likewise, and the USA is going that way culturally if not legally. I refuse to go live in continental Europe because they're even further down that track than anywhere else, and my Anglo tongue would never get round the floods of consonants that characterise the various Slavic languages so Russia or Eastern Europe is out.
Most of East Asia is OK, as is most of Eastern Europe.
 
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