Steven Bonnell II / Destiny / Destiny.gg - Emotionally Unstable Manchild, Creeps on Teenagers, Incest Supporter

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Spooky Doot Skelly

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Interesting debate. Destiny basically concedes all ground to Sean and hardly pushes back against any of his claims. I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”

He basically flat out admits anti-white racism is becoming harmful in real life (he’s decades late on this but better late than never) and then goes on to say he thinks IQ has a genetic component and that it may vary across races. This is about as close as you can get to the actual truth while still identifying with leftist ideals. Part of me is proud he finally realized the truth, but I also feel bad; he’ll never be able to get away with fully outwardly agreeing with Sean unless he wants to give up his career. Not worth it for him, IMO.

I can already tell Vaush and others who hate him will be seething at this debate. This is a perfect example of why the left can’t afford to be cordial - they don’t have any actual arguments grounded in empirical reality. They have to form stories and rhetoric to make the opponent look bad in order to win. The moment someone like Destiny comes along and starts arguing in good faith, they’ve already lost.
 

weaver24

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Interesting debate. Destiny basically concedes all ground to Sean and hardly pushes back against any of his claims. I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”

He basically flat out admits anti-white racism is becoming harmful in real life (he’s decades late on this but better late than never) and then goes on to say he thinks IQ has a genetic component and that it may vary across races. This is about as close as you can get to the actual truth while still identifying with leftist ideals. Part of me is proud he finally realized the truth, but I also feel bad; he’ll never be able to get away with fully outwardly agreeing with Sean unless he wants to give up his career. Not worth it for him, IMO.

I can already tell Vaush and others who hate him will be seething at this debate. This is a perfect example of why the left can’t afford to be cordial - they don’t have any actual arguments grounded in empirical reality. They have to form stories and rhetoric to make the opponent look bad in order to win. The moment someone like Destiny comes along and starts arguing in good faith, they’ve already lost.
Sean Last didn't seem to think he won tho

Sean didn't make too many strong claims I think that were as leftists would say "mask off" and he didn't exactly push Destiny on what he believes. The debate was pretty cordial overall, and pretty boring if u were expecting bloodsports.

I think Destiny tries to match the energy and tone of his opponents, Sean wasn't in attacking mode or aggressive, otherwise we might of had some fireworks.
 
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Spooky Doot Skelly

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Sean Last didn't seem to think he won tho

Sean didn't make too many strong claims I think that were as leftists would say "mask off" and he didn't exactly push Destiny on what he believes. The debate was pretty cordial overall, and pretty boring if u were expecting bloodsports.

I think Destiny tries to match the energy and tone of his opponents, Sean wasn't in attacking mode or aggressive, otherwise we might of had some fireworks.
I wouldn’t say it was a blowout like with Strdust. But Sean has a much smaller audience, and this debate made his ideas look really good. Was not a blowout but a pretty decisive W in my eyes. Sean is just humble.
 

Schway

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Interesting debate. Destiny basically concedes all ground to Sean and hardly pushes back against any of his claims. I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”

He basically flat out admits anti-white racism is becoming harmful in real life (he’s decades late on this but better late than never) and then goes on to say he thinks IQ has a genetic component and that it may vary across races. This is about as close as you can get to the actual truth while still identifying with leftist ideals. Part of me is proud he finally realized the truth, but I also feel bad; he’ll never be able to get away with fully outwardly agreeing with Sean unless he wants to give up his career. Not worth it for him, IMO.

I can already tell Vaush and others who hate him will be seething at this debate. This is a perfect example of why the left can’t afford to be cordial - they don’t have any actual arguments grounded in empirical reality. They have to form stories and rhetoric to make the opponent look bad in order to win. The moment someone like Destiny comes along and starts arguing in good faith, they’ve already lost.

I suppose this is standard motte and bailey stuff, but I've noticed with left-leaning people like destiny there is this tendency to really huddle up into their beliefs when challenged. Suddenly they agree with pretty much everything you say, what they used to oppose strongly is a "maybe", "I don't know" or "I'll look it up that study afterwards". In the more far left cases this is usually accompanied by deconstruction of what's being talked about in the debate. "Of course there is a genetic component to IQ, but what about the not-genetic component", "Of course there's biological aspects to race but isn't it just a social construct?" So on and so on.

Basically they try to frame themselves as not really disagreeing with you, but having a broader perspective. The problem is of course that these admissions and considerations disappear the moment they're not being pressed on them by a competent opponent. They don't actually believe these things, not truly. And you can see that because their worldview and behavior doesn't align with it.

Every now and then I see what destiny is up to, and every time I'm fascinated by how easily he walks over concerns that he used to dismiss that now came true. A prime example if I recall it right being that old debate with hassan, sargon and fuentes where destiny argued that there is no left-wing push in media, or that right wing doesn't get disproportionately censored on social media. Things that are now more obvious then ever, but he'll still ignore such concerns now unless they're blatantly obvious. I guess people like him are the reason the phrase "I told you so" is so popular.
 

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Interesting debate. Destiny basically concedes all ground to Sean and hardly pushes back against any of his claims. I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”

He basically flat out admits anti-white racism is becoming harmful in real life (he’s decades late on this but better late than never) and then goes on to say he thinks IQ has a genetic component and that it may vary across races. This is about as close as you can get to the actual truth while still identifying with leftist ideals. Part of me is proud he finally realized the truth, but I also feel bad; he’ll never be able to get away with fully outwardly agreeing with Sean unless he wants to give up his career. Not worth it for him, IMO.

I can already tell Vaush and others who hate him will be seething at this debate. This is a perfect example of why the left can’t afford to be cordial - they don’t have any actual arguments grounded in empirical reality. They have to form stories and rhetoric to make the opponent look bad in order to win. The moment someone like Destiny comes along and starts arguing in good faith, they’ve already lost.
he finally gave into his autism I see
 

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Interesting debate. Destiny basically concedes all ground to Sean and hardly pushes back against any of his claims. I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”

He basically flat out admits anti-white racism is becoming harmful in real life (he’s decades late on this but better late than never) and then goes on to say he thinks IQ has a genetic component and that it may vary across races. This is about as close as you can get to the actual truth while still identifying with leftist ideals. Part of me is proud he finally realized the truth, but I also feel bad; he’ll never be able to get away with fully outwardly agreeing with Sean unless he wants to give up his career. Not worth it for him, IMO.

I can already tell Vaush and others who hate him will be seething at this debate. This is a perfect example of why the left can’t afford to be cordial - they don’t have any actual arguments grounded in empirical reality. They have to form stories and rhetoric to make the opponent look bad in order to win. The moment someone like Destiny comes along and starts arguing in good faith, they’ve already lost.

I don't think Destiny ever denied the difference in iq but he leans heavily on the environmental factor. Also Sean Last didn't even come off as extreme as I thought he would so there was nothing to really go back and forth with him and Destiny. Destiny is still a liberal who believes in multiculturalism and free movement of people
 

Novalife

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Interesting debate. Destiny basically concedes all ground to Sean and hardly pushes back against any of his claims. I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”

He basically flat out admits anti-white racism is becoming harmful in real life (he’s decades late on this but better late than never) and then goes on to say he thinks IQ has a genetic component and that it may vary across races. This is about as close as you can get to the actual truth while still identifying with leftist ideals. Part of me is proud he finally realized the truth, but I also feel bad; he’ll never be able to get away with fully outwardly agreeing with Sean unless he wants to give up his career. Not worth it for him, IMO.

I can already tell Vaush and others who hate him will be seething at this debate. This is a perfect example of why the left can’t afford to be cordial - they don’t have any actual arguments grounded in empirical reality. They have to form stories and rhetoric to make the opponent look bad in order to win. The moment someone like Destiny comes along and starts arguing in good faith, they’ve already lost.
I don't even need to watch the debate. I can tell that Destiny lost just by checking DGG hangouts and seeing absolutely nobody talking about it 😂😂😂
 

Spooky Doot Skelly

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Sean is definitely a bit of a sperg. His special interest is race statistics
He’s a sperg but in a good way. He’s statistically literate, well spoken and his articles are well-written.
I don’t agree with him on everything (he’s actually pretty liberal on topics that aren’t race relations) but I have respect for him nonetheless
 

Jewish Porn Hoe

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I am half believing that Destiny is just a closeted race-realist and is coping by saying “that won’t change any of my positions anyway lol”
Which is kinda funny because when you get down to it many of these HDB/race realist/IQ realist people aren't even hardcore right wingers at all but are politically much closer to liberalism or some form of "sensible" centrism, so he'd be right at home with his kinda anti-woke neoliberaltarianism or whatever pantomime he's currently pulling.
Most of them also believe in asinine shit like "IQ nationalism" aka "AKSHUHUALLY we need to fill all our labor pool for cognitive labor with smart hostile foreigners".
 

lemonarm2

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Which is kinda funny because when you get down to it many of these HDB/race realist/IQ realist people aren't even hardcore right wingers at all but are politically much closer to liberalism or some form of "sensible" centrism, so he'd be right at home with his kinda anti-woke neoliberaltarianism or whatever pantomime he's currently pulling.
Most of them also believe in asinine shit like "IQ nationalism" aka "AKSHUHUALLY we need to fill all our labor pool for cognitive labor with smart hostile foreigners".
this reads like an IQlet cope post tbqh ngl
 

Spooky Doot Skelly

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this reads like an IQlet cope post tbqh ngl
He’s right though. All of the famous intelligence researchers are mostly classical liberals. The meme is that they’re nazis but the Nazi regime (and other fascist regimes throughout history) usually rejected IQ tests as they thought they were “bourgeois” or “instruments for Jewry”
But please explain more about how Nazis would accept IQ tests that put Germans equal to Slavs and Jews above Germans. Can’t wait to hear a really well thought out take.
 

Schway

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Which is kinda funny because when you get down to it many of these HDB/race realist/IQ realist people aren't even hardcore right wingers at all but are politically much closer to liberalism or some form of "sensible" centrism, so he'd be right at home with his kinda anti-woke neoliberaltarianism or whatever pantomime he's currently pulling.
Most of them also believe in asinine shit like "IQ nationalism" aka "AKSHUHUALLY we need to fill all our labor pool for cognitive labor with smart hostile foreigners".
I think it has to do with most of these people being pretty autistic and mechanistic in their approach to life, so they consider this kind of IQ nationalism, line go up thought to be the best. There is also the fact that a lot of them are ex-libertarians who think libertarianism would only work with a high IQ populace.

That's also why they tend to switcharoo and don new political ideologies all the time, a new study coming out that shows a 5% efficiency increase in something is enough to get them to switch, because they fundamentally only think in graphs. They're great for getting scientific info on their favorite topic, not great for political or life-style advice.
 

Berrakh

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My experience with the race realists, since Destiny is a bore atm, is that they’re less ideologically committed in general. They just go with what makes sense or is persuasive to them and change their minds flexibly. This is both good and bad.
 

lemonarm2

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He’s right though. All of the famous intelligence researchers are mostly classical liberals. The meme is that they’re nazis but the Nazi regime (and other fascist regimes throughout history) usually rejected IQ tests as they thought they were “bourgeois” or “instruments for Jewry”
But please explain more about how Nazis would accept IQ tests that put Germans equal to Slavs and Jews above Germans. Can’t wait to hear a really well thought out take.
never said anything about MUH NAHTZEES just saying that his last sentence reeks of low IQ copeposting
 

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