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MarineTrainedTard

You got the COVID! Coronavirus, big time!
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You’d think this would be a huge wake up call but I guess I’m being too optimistic.
Considering how many people are still gargling Trump's balls despite the fact he spent months calling coronavirus a hoax that would go away very quickly and did absolutely nothing to stop it, you definitely are being too optimistic
 

haurchefant

a smile better suits a hero
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If only there were candidates and elected officials who supported affordable health care for everyone, then maybe this wouldn’t have happened. If only your ability to get surgery or medication without going into massive debt wasn’t at the mercy of some faceless corporation who’s more interested in making and saving money than helping people.

You’d think this would be a huge wake up call but I guess I’m being too optimistic.
Breadline Bernie would never allow this, this man deserves a universal healthcare system that will put him on a five year waiting list, STAT
 

TaimuRadiu

Kaiserin
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If only there were candidates and elected officials who supported affordable health care for everyone, then maybe this wouldn’t have happened. If only your ability to get surgery or medication without going into massive debt wasn’t at the mercy of some faceless corporation who’s more interested in making and saving money than helping people.

You’d think this would be a huge wake up call but I guess I’m being too optimistic.
It wouldn't be affordable. It would take a very long time to do so, judging by the Canadian health care system and the British NHS, and meanwhile, that guy would still be unable to walk.

Considering how many people are still gargling Trump's balls despite the fact he spent months calling coronavirus a hoax that would go away very quickly and did absolutely nothing to stop it, you definitely are being too optimistic
Judging by how the media actually acts and what we do know about the Chinese coronavirus, it may as well be a hoax, and now most of the country is shut down to accomodate boomers.
 

JaneThough

Part of your world
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It wouldn't be affordable. It would take a very long time to do so, judging by the Canadian health care system and the British NHS, and meanwhile, that guy would still be unable to walk.



Judging by how the media actually acts and what we do know about the Chinese coronavirus, it may as well be a hoax, and now most of the country is shut down to accomodate boomers.
Please try removing Trump's balls from your mouth, it'll be easier to understand you.
 

haurchefant

a smile better suits a hero
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Please try removing Trump's balls from your mouth, it'll be easier to understand you.
Only a dirty Trump lover does things like point out FACTS: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/

The only thing Canadian patients are "guaranteed" is a spot on a waitlist. As the Fraser report notes, in 2017, more than 173,000 patients waited for an ophthalmology procedure. Another 91,000 lined up for some form of general surgery, while more than 40,000 waited for a urology procedure.

All told, nearly 3% of Canada's population was waiting for some kind of medical care at the end of last year.

Those delays were excruciatingly long. After receiving a referral from a general practitioner, the typical patient waited more than 21 weeks to receive treatment from a specialist. That was the longest average waiting period on record -- and more than double the median wait in 1993.

Rural patients faced even longer delays. For instance, the average Canadian in need of orthopedic surgery waited almost 24 weeks for treatment -- but the typical patient in rural Nova Scotia waited nearly 39 weeks for the same procedure.

One Ontario woman, Judy Congdon, learned that she needed a hip replacement in 2016, according to the Toronto Sun. Doctors initially scheduled the procedure for September 2017 -- almost a year later. The surgery never happened on schedule. The hospital ran over budget, forcing physicians to postpone the operation for another year.
 

Hollywood Hulk Hogan

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Judging by how the media actually acts and what we do know about the Chinese coronavirus, it may as well be a hoax, and now most of the country is shut down to accomodate boomers.
There are a lot of perfectly health younger people who need ICU stays for the virus. You aren't a doctor, listen to the damn health professionals
 

Hollywood Hulk Hogan

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Yeah, and those are usually people with some underlying health conditions anyway, like asthma, diabetes, and obesity.
Nope. Plenty of perfectly healthy people without underlying conditions are needing ICU visits, too. I know a guy who runs marathons, no underlying condition, is 33 years old and he had to get on a ventilator.

Also, your parents are probably boomers. And most of your lord and savior Trump's supporters are boomers. Without them, he would never have gotten elected
 

Hollywood Hulk Hogan

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so are you for or against adjustment day
It should be more. A one-time payment of $1200 isn't going to do much in the long term.

However, I ain't getting a cent from it (income too high last year).

And I don't hate everything Trump has done, but for the most part he's an incompetent boob and anyone who supports him is either a redneck, college-aged male who doesn't understand how the real world works, a boomer, or mentally handicapped.
 

TaimuRadiu

Kaiserin
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It should be more. A one-time payment of $1200 isn't going to do much in the long term.

However, I ain't getting a cent from it (income too high last year).

And I don't hate everything Trump has done, but for the most part he's an incompetent boob and anyone who supports him is either a redneck, college-aged male who doesn't understand how the real world works, a boomer, or mentally handicapped.
I was referring to the plot of Adjustment Day by Chuck Palahniuk, and your poasting made me think that you were in favor of this ultimate solution to the boomer question

(also yang was right with UBI)
 

haurchefant

a smile better suits a hero
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Canadian system: you’ll get your treatment in six months

(Current) American system: No insurance? Can’t remortgage your house? Lol ok nice knowing you poorfag
There is an entire study about the rate of mortality rates in Canada due to the waiting lists: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/effect-of-wait-times-on-mortality-in-canada.pdf

I'm not going to summarize it as it's an interesting read and I want to encourage people to look at the information.

In 2018 the NHS finally admitted that they were facing a crisis where they flat out were unable to treat patients: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

More interesting stuff from the Fraser Institute: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/while-politicians-dither-patients-die

Sadly, their stories are not isolated cases. In a recent study, Nadeem Esmail, Taylor Jackson and I investigated whether the changes (mostly increases) in wait times between 1993 and 2009 had any impact on mortality rates. After controlling for relevant factors (physicians, health expenditures, age, Gross Domestic Product, inequality, and gender), we found that there was, indeed, a statistically significant relationship between wait times and the incidents of female deaths.

Specifically, after crunching the numbers we estimated between 25,456 and 63,090 Canadian women may have died as a result of increased wait times during this period. Large as this number is, it doesn’t even begin to quantify the possibility of increased disability and poorer quality of life as a result of protracted wait times.

Clearly, wait times may have serious consequences for some patients. It is inhumane and immoral to force these patients to choose between long waits in the public system (risking their health and well-being) and leaving their homeland (and families) to seek treatment elsewhere.
From The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/27/nhs-deaths-mental-health-patients-england

England’s 54 specialist mental health trusts have been told to start looking into every death in an effort to learn from mistakes.

In future they should more fully investigate cases in which the patient may have received poor or unsafe care, especially if they had bipolar disorder or an eating disorder.

The first guidance to trusts on the subject has been drawn up by the Royal College of Psychiatrists and is being backed by NHS England. It is meant to end the existing ad hoc system whereby different trusts examine smaller or larger numbers of deaths...

Mental health trusts’ failure to look into patients’ deaths became an issue in 2015 when it emerged that Southern health trust had not examined the death of about 1,000 patients with autism or learning disabilities.

Its failures were highlighted by the poor care it gave to Connor Sparrowhawk, an 18-year-old with epilepsy and autism, who drowned in a bath in the trust’s Slade House facility in Oxford in 2013 after his doctor made 39 different errors.
And then of course there's the tragic story Ann Clywd, an MP whose husband was abandoned by NHS medical staff so that he could die in pain and untreated: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/welsh-mp-whose-husband-died-14869911

Cynon Valley MP Ann Clwyd made headlines in 2012 when she claimed her husband died in “battery hen” conditions at the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff.

The veteran MP claims that a “cover-up mentality” is “all-pervasive” at the health board and pledged to continue her “battle” to get answers.

She said: “I knew that the NHS did not treat its complainants well, but I did not expect to be here still looking for answers nearly six years later.”

In 2014 an investigation did not uphold the majority of her allegations but the Labour MP accused the Cardiff and Vale University Health Board of a “dismissive, insulting and gratuitous attitude” towards the families of loved one.

Speaking in the House of Commons, she described the finals days of her husband, Owen Roberts, and said more than 4,500 people had written to her to share their experiences of the NHS complaints system.

A spokeswoman for the health board said: “We have met with Ms Clwyd on a number of occasions and feel that we have made every effort to address in full all the concerns she has raised and shared with her all actions we have taken to address her concerns.”
So what is the point of all this autistic newspaper linking?

To make a point: that no healthcare system is perfect. People are routinely abandoned and left to die in universal healthcare nations. Rationing doctor care and enforcing waiting times cause deaths.

Does that make universal healthcare a completely bad thing? No. I think there's a lot the US could learn from universal healthcare.

But whining about how the US doesn't "treat patients" for being poor (which is false, Medicaid is there for a reason and there are plenty of state medical welfare programs) and how this supposedly makes universal healthcare "better" when patients routinely die thanks to inexcusable errors on behalf of the state, is absolutely farcical.

And, oh yeah...Finland's government collapsed in 2019 because they couldn't figure out how to fund their universal healthcare system. Turns out they're running out of money: https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/...sal-health-care-costs-bernie2020-hardest-hit/

Finland has long been touted by American socialists as the socialist Nirvana, where everything is free and everyone is happy, happy, happy. Sadly, fiscal reality hit Finland’s government as it collapsed Friday due to the rising costs of its universal health care.

The warning signs were on the wall last spring when Finland, as Leslie noted, ended its experiment with “universal basic income.”

Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who has been hanging his socialist mantle on the “success” of Finland’s socialist structure, may be the hardest hit.

The Washington Free Beacon reports:

"The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal health care and the prime minister’s failure to enact reforms to the system.

Prime Minister Juha Sipila and the rest of the cabinet resigned after the governing coalition failed to pass reforms in parliament to the country’s regional government and health services, the Wall Street Journal reports. Finland faces an aging population, with around 26 percent of its citizens expected to be over 65 by the year 2030, an increase of 5 percent from today."

It’s not just Finland experiencing such problems with its socialist policies. Other Nordic countries, also touted by American socialists and communists as the model America should follow, are suffering similar economic burdens directly related to their socialist policies.
Here's a real galaxybrain: maybe there isn't a perfect healthcare system and maybe getting medical treatment will always be fucking shit.
 

3119967d0c

a... brain - @StarkRavingMad
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whining about how the US doesn't "treat patients" for being poor (which is false, Medicaid is there for a reason and there are plenty of state medical welfare programs)
I mean obviously welfare queens can get free healthcare. It's just the working poor without 'insurance' ('insurance' is supposed to be for catastrophic problems, not routine medical events like 'having a baby') who will lose everything if they need to access it. Of course, few in the American political system even pretend to care about those people.