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Cherry Popcicle.

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War Pigs fucking blows, especially compared to Walpurgis, the original song it was supposed to be.

War Pigs is just a bland "War bad" song that the hippie generation shat out. Walpurgis, while it just seems edgy by today's standard, is a dark track that fits the style of the 1st sabbath album, and works with Paranoid.
 

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War Pigs fucking blows, especially compared to Walpurgis, the original song it was supposed to be.

War Pigs is just a bland "War bad" song that the hippie generation shat out. Walpurgis, while it just seems edgy by today's standard, is a dark track that fits the style of the 1st sabbath album, and works with Paranoid.

I guess my unpopular view about music is that I didn't think much of Black Sabbath until I stumbled upon a video of an early concert of them (Paris 1970). I really dig that, it's got a raw edge that is lost as they became more popular, as happens with all these super cult-status bands. I didn't know about Walpurgis (thought I was walking into some web 1.0 style prank and getting granny scat porn by googling it), thanks.

EDIT - they did a Peel session in 1970 as well, just found out.
 

Megaroad 2012

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Ministry's only good album was Twitch and some of Early Trax. Which is weird since I like Skinny Puppy, Revolting Cocks, Pigface, NIN ect., Ministry has just never clicked with me.

I don't know if it has to do with Jourgensen or not. Nothing to do with his political views, something about him just annoys me.
 

Spunt

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The loudness wars ruined commercial production, and the smartphone's cheap earbuds have rendered any production quality irrelevant. Even worse, things have to sound good on the shitty phone speaker otherwise there will be no commercial success. Active listening has become a hobbyist venture and there's an ocean of groups that cater to that both in composition and production quality but unless you're into that, anything you buy for audio is good enough. (Also if someone claims they can pass a FLAC vs CBR320 double blind they're likely full of shit)

THAT BEING SAID, if you are either a musician, or an active listening hobbyist type, there is absolutely a massive difference between lower end and high end. You do reach a diminishing returns threshold of not worth it eventually, but when you've listened to an album hundreds of times, upgrade your system and hear tones and sounds you've never noticed before, it's really quite the magical experience.

I don't know what "audiophile" entails in this context, but over the last decade I've gone from taped up skullcandy cans to a good, budget studio-level loudspeaker system and honestly, it's been worth it every upgrade up until now, and I don't think I'll be hitting that "not worth it anymore" point for another couple thousand dollars. Obviously I consume and create enough music to warrant my purchases, but I think a lot of people could benefit from throwing a little money into some audio. Everyone has a "good enough" point and I'd say 400 is a pretty solid limit for anyone that don't consider themselves a hobbyist, but the quality shit is absolutely worth it either way.

Protip: if you're spending more than 500 on cans that you use at home, you should not be buying cans for home use, you should be buying speakers.

A lot of people get confused between speakers/cans that "sound good" and speakers/cans that are "High Fidelity", buy the wrong thing, then wonder why all their music suddenly sounds so lifeless.

Producers and mix engineers need "studio monitor" style speakers and cans. These are pieces of equipment designed to have a completely flat (or as flat as possible, depending on budget) frequency response, i.e. they don't "colour" the sounds by altering the EQ or compressing all or part of the frequency spectrum. This is to allow mix engineers to mix (or master, in fact it's even more important in mastering) as objectively as possible. Being an audio engineer is more challenging on a professional level than it ever has been, because if you release a piece of music it's going to be played on:

- Massive thumpy club PA systems at deafening volumes
- Massive public PA systems (stadiums, shopping centres) in horrible acoustic settings with loads of noise
- Car speakers
- Home hi-fi systems
- Smart TVs with crappy little speakers or a Bluetooth Audio Bar, maybe even a 5.1 system
- Big audiophile cans
- Tiny earbud speakers
- Phone/tablet speakers

And it has to sound good on ALL of them. If you mix on a home Hi-Fi speaker, you'll create something that sounds great on a Hi-Fi speaker and literally nowhere else. So studio engineers need to use studio monitors that don't colour the sound, otherwise any other playing scenario is going to have a garbage in -> garbage out problem. (This is why a lot of modern music sounds generic in its production, particularly its mastering, because it has to be neutral enough to survive all those environments). But some audiophiles or people who just think more expensive = better are buying expensive studio gear that is *supposed* to sound flat and lifeless, then complaining that the bass doesn't shatter their spine or whatever they're expecting. If you want to invest in listening equipment, make sure you're *not* buying studio monitors or you're going to have a bad time.

EDIT: An example would be, if you're listening to dance music in a club you want the sub-bass (below 60Hz-ish) to thud along with the beat and let you feel it in your bones. But most small speakers (such as earbuds) are physically too small to move air at those wavelengths and often can't make any sound at all below about 75Hz. So if you mixed the song's kick drum at 60Hz to pound the brains of clubbers, someone listening to that song on basic earbuds would hear no bass at all, because it's recorded at a wavelength the speakers can't reproduce. So you mix the pulse of the kick drum at 80Hz instead. A good club PA's speakers, and the amplifier driving them, won't just reproduce sound at 60Hz. What they will do is look at the entire bass spectrum and boost (or even create) sub-harmonics from that 80Hz pulse and put them out as low as 30Hz, where sound isn't heard so much as it is felt (if you're at a loud gig or club where it feels that the bass is moving your intestines, that's about 30-40Hz), then use a narrow-band compressor to stop it getting out of control (and to compensate if it is confronted with a recording where there is a lot of data below 80Hz to avoid damaging the speakers). So all music produced today will have its bass pulse somewhere around 80Hz and that makes it all sound very samey, but that's kinda unavoidable if you don't want the sound to be unlistenable on all devices. But if you play that track on studio monitors, that pulse will be at 80Hz, where it was mixed, not below that where you want it (and which expensive cans can reproduce, but studio cans will only reproduce if it's in the original recording, which these days it won't be).

SECOND EDIT: Also, the reason why you see much less stereo spread or use of the stereo space now as you did in the 20th century is that a LOT of music is played over mono speakers - a big PA system in a stadium or shopping centre will be a whole bunch of mono speakers, even cheaper phones and tablets will have a mono speaker. Playing music with huge differences between each channel on one of these will completely destroy it. Try listening to the following songs, which all have big stereo spread and big instrument panning, on just one earbud or speaker and listen to how awful/incomprehensible they sound - entire instruments will sometimes go missing:

ZZ Top - Sharp Dressed Man
Queen - Killer Queen
Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo Chile

Damn that was autistic even by my standards.
 
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The Linda Lindas are a band that makes me autistically angry.

The Linda Lindas are an all female “punk rock” band from L.A. Not only are they all female, but they are also all children, three of which are POC’s (this is important to them I guess). They are currently signed with Epitaph Records, which means almost nothing since they only put out shit now.

Their first EP “Linda Lindas” sounds like the result of a machine learning algorithm taking every single generic punk/ grunge band from the early 90’s, combining them into four songs, cleaning it up to the point where it just sounds like Kidz bop, and having a female version of eminem try to do punk vocals.

One of their bigger songs is a classic piece called “Vote!”. This is an extremely grating song about how the only way to make a change in this world is to vote at the federal election, because nothing says “The Linda Lindas channel the spirit of original punk” like telling people to conform and to do what the government wants you to.

At some point they released a song called “Racist, Sexist Boy”. This song is a heart-wrenching ballad about how apparently one time a boy stopped hanging out with one of the Lindas after he found out she was half-Chinese or something, lol. This song is probably their most famous as they have performed it live in two different places, a library and on one of the Jimmy late night shows. I’m pretty sure that this is the song that got them signed to Epitaph.

If you go through the comment section of any of their videos you will find a multitude of people that seem to believe that The Linda Lindas are the second coming of Nirvana, and will be the chosen band that will revive punk, rock, and everything else great in the world. I warn you though, if you say anything bad about the Lindas, their luddite fans will barrage you with insults like “boomer” and “child bully”.

In conclusion, if you like the Rinda Rindarus, you are either’’:
  1. A peadophile that targets coloured chillens
  2. A person that unironically says “latinx”
  3. A K-pop fan in denial
  4. A super religious person that got bullied in school for being a pansy or something
  5. All of the above
Thank you for reading my essay, I hope you enjoyed my essay as much as I enjoyed writing it >:]
(restate thesis)
 

Slimboy Fat

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A lot of people get confused between speakers/cans that "sound good" and speakers/cans that are "High Fidelity", buy the wrong thing, then wonder why all their music suddenly sounds so lifeless.

-a fucking lot of text-

I partially agree. I think uncolored sound is fine given an appropriate budgetary threshold. When it comes to headphones however, that's 100% the case, monitor headphones sound really flat and boring and are mostly meant to have accurate feedback as you play an instrument. They're not unpleasant to listen to and I started appreciating a flat response much more over time, but I would definitely not recommend.

THAT BEING SAID, when it comes to loudspeakers, with acoustics and the raw power of your speaker, even without the earth shattering basses or unrealistically crisp mids, they sound absolutely bomb without breaking the bank on shitty brand recognition. By the time you're dropping 500 dollars on a pair of speakers, whether it's for a studio or for a living room, you're likely to have a good listening experience regardless. Saying this out of experience going from audiophile sennheiser cans to the best budget studio speakers you can get, even though I got them for production and whatnot, I would be comfortable recommending this as hifi listening speakers. idk they just sound really good, maybe it's just me.
 

Spunt

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I think if you do produce/mix a lot, you can detect (consciously or otherwise) coloured sound and it doesn't sound "right" after a while, so I get where you're coming from about learning to like the studio monitor sound if that's your background.

As ever, there are rapidly diminishing returns above a certain budget threshold for just about any piece of audio equipment, which is why a lot of audiophile gear is terrible value at best and some of it of course is an outright scam at worst. Not just the megabucks audiophile stuff either, I remember some guy on Youtube doing a teardown of one of those Beats by Dre things and they found a fairly cheap set of components and massive steel weights to make it sound like there were huge drivers in there!
 

VIVIsectVI

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War Pigs fucking blows, especially compared to Walpurgis, the original song it was supposed to be.

War Pigs is just a bland "War bad" song that the hippie generation shat out. Walpurgis, while it just seems edgy by today's standard, is a dark track that fits the style of the 1st sabbath album, and works with Paranoid.
Definitely. There are other songs on Paranoid that are far better-the title track, Hand of Doom, Planet Caravan, Electric Funeral.
 

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Not too sound like a hipster or indie but all music that goes commercially successful and receives a ton of radio play loses it wow factor, the songs are usually good however are overplayed to the point where they lose what make them special.

For instance the less I know the better
Ditto to this. Look at Kiss and ACDC. Both are good bands, but no one in their life needs to hear Rock And Roll All Nite or Thunderstruck because of how overplayed those songs are. And yet if the radio stations ever play other songs like Love Gun or Whole Lotta Rosie, it's a goddamn appreciated surprise.
 

Idiot Asshole

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Not too sound like a hipster or indie but all music that goes commercially successful and receives a ton of radio play loses it wow factor, the songs are usually good however are overplayed to the point where they lose what make them special.

For instance the less I know the better
Ditto to this. Look at Kiss and ACDC. Both are good bands, but no one in their life needs to hear Rock And Roll All Nite or Thunderstruck because of how overplayed those songs are. And yet if the radio stations ever play other songs like Love Gun or Whole Lotta Rosie, it's a goddamn appreciated surprise.
It's just the nature of radio, since there's usually a set list of songs to play it ends up being an endless rotation that you'll eventually get sick of. Why anyone would want to listen to the radio in this day and age over their own curated playlists or library I don't know.
 

wanddumpster

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butthole surfers suck they were good at first but got extremely shitty later on
Psychic Powerless is a great record but it seriously went downhill for them after Hairway to Steven. If you haven't read Our Band Could Be Your Life by Michael Azerrad I highly reccomend it, the chapter on the Buttholes is really good and it covers a wide range of 80s punk groups.

My take: The Stooges suck except for Fun House, but that record is immaculate. Nothing else they did appeals to me.
 

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Travis Scott’s Astroworld is probably going down next to Kendrick Lamar’s DAMN. as one of the most overrated rap albums to come out in recent memory.

I think most believe that Sicko Mode only went Diamond because of Drake, and his verse was the least memorable on the song.

 

sigma Iigma baIIs

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I'll agree there is a lot of shit out there like people who put out a bunch of cassettes limited to 5 copies of them just scratching a knife on a contact mic but the mainstays of the genre are technically brilliant. Trying to make a tone or keep a steady rhythm with no-input mixing? Shit is extremely difficult. A lot of people think its random but most of noise and power electronics are extremely calculated.

Keep an open mind and listen to Genocide Organ's Klaus Barbie which is more industrial but with a PE component to it.
(this is the live version btw)

Ask the DJ to play it next time you're at the club with your girl haha.
Petr Valek was probably the first musician around this genre that actually gave (an abundant) glimpse into what it would be like to make noise/industrial music.
 

Tootsie Bear

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soulless, lowest common denominator music is worse than bad musicians who try.

Clean Bandit, Imagine Dragons etc, artists you just know wrote their songs purely to make money/be featured in an advert.
You have a point. I'm at the point most music, past or present, is terrible. What sours my mood is that people praise it as a miracle from God, but all I'm hearing are nails on a chalkboard. Someone like Wesley Willis is annoying but he's also funny. So that's something I could see myself enjoying than say the Foo Fighters or U2.
 

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